Neo vs Hancock

Originally posted by Robtard
To escape Earth's gravity, a rocket needs to reach a speed of approximately 11.2 kilometers per second (kilometers/second), which is known as escape velocity; this translates to roughly 25,000 miles per hour (mph). -Science

A rocket is an object with propulsion. Hancock is a being with propulsion. Hancock had to meet or exceed 25K mph for his moon feat. You don't even science.

A rocket must reach escape velocity to turn off its thrusters and remain in orbit without relying on propulsion.

Hancock traveling to the moon isn't about staying in orbit or turning off propulsion.

Any object can reach the moon at any constant speed (even as slow as 1 mph). I doubt you don't already know this.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I'm not gonna lie, the link Neme put up made me question my stance a little bit. Been a long time since I've seen that.

Bullshit H1, common sense rules here.

If you shot a high end rifle at the moon, even if that bullet never slowed down it would take longer than 12 hours to reach the moon.

And whether it was paint or he laid red carpet he still had to carry a continent sized area of something to the moon.

Do you even understand the concept of acceleration?

A rifle bullet doesn't accelerate - its speed remains constant after being fired.

With even the smallest amount of acceleration, an object will eventually surpass the speed of a rifle bullet or any speed below the speed of light.

The basic kinematic formula for uniform acceleration is
Distance = 1/2 acceleration * time^2

You're assuming Hancock used something from Earth to color the moon, but that's not a necessary conclusion.

Originally posted by h1a8
A rocket must reach escape velocity to turn off its thrusters and remain in orbit without relying on propulsion.

Hancock traveling to the moon isn't about staying in orbit or turning off propulsion.

Any object can reach the moon at any constant speed (even as slow as 1 mph). I doubt you don't already know this.

LoL, dude. Keep dancing. Hancock had to reach or exceed EV to get out out Earth's gravitational pull. That means he's faster than a bullet, at least when flying. You were wrong in your 'bullet speed > Hancock' claim.

Now you could argue that he could only reach those speeds in outer orbit due to the thinner atmosphere, but we don't know for sure. What we do know, he can fly fast enough to avoid the human eye as we saw in the bank scene and he can reach EV using the moon feat.

Anyhow. Nemebro largely ended the thread with posting Neo's 3rd film feats. But your downplaying of Hancock's feats is ridiculous. If we include Hancock's moon painting in on night feat, gets even weirder as that's looney tunes level shit.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. Keep dancing. Hancock had to reach or exceed EV to get out out Earth's gravitational pull. That means he's faster than a bullet, at least when flying. You were wrong in your 'bullet speed > Hancock' claim.

Now you could argue that he could only reach those speeds in outer orbit due to the thinner atmosphere, but we don't know for sure. What we do know, he can fly fast enough to avoid the human eye as we saw in the bank scene and he can reach EV using the moon feat.

Anyhow. Nemebro largely ended the thread with posting Neo's 3rd film feats. But your downplaying of Hancock's feats is ridiculous. If we include Hancock's moon painting in on night feat, gets even weirder as that's looney tunes level shit.

Not only is your lack of basic physics understanding astounding, but you're also trolling by ignoring what I've already explained.

You don't need to escape Earth's gravity to reach the Moon, just as you don't need to escape it to jump onto a box. Gravity gets weaker the farther you are from Earth, making it progressively easier as you travel.

If you're traveling at a constant speed of 1 mph, you'd reach the Moon in 238,900 hours. It's not necessary to reach escape velocity or fully overcome Earth's gravitational attraction.

Your confusion stems from misunderstanding the term itself. Escape velocity refers to the speed an object must reach to avoid ever returning to Earth (i.e., to stay in orbit indefinitely). Rockets turn off their thrusters shortly after reaching escape velocity.

Originally posted by h1a8
A rifle bullet doesn't accelerate - its speed remains constant after being fired.

...forever?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...forever?

It was a hypothetical scenario. Shadow assumed it would take longer than 12 hours for a rifle bullet to reach the moon, assuming it traveled at a constant speed (with no drag or gravity acting on it).

I pointed out that a rifle bullet doesn't accelerate. This means acceleration, not constant speed, is the key to reaching the moon in a reasonable amount of time.

Even with a small acceleration, an object will eventually exceed the speed of a rifle bullet.

Here's an exercise for you:
1. How long would it take an object accelerating at 300 ft/s² to reach the moon?
2. How long would it take that object to cover the first 50 feet of travel with the same acceleration?
3. How long would it take a rifle bullet traveling at 3,000 ft/s to cover the first 50 feet of distance?

Ah okay, I wasn't aware you were talking deep space physics.

I think the premise of this thread is silly because matrix physics is hackable. Not only that, but Neo decided that being shot multiple times in the abdomen was only a superficial wound, and so it was. What else can he just decide to shrug off? But again: if Hancock goes for the head, neo might be dead. He has to first think about hacking in order to hack.

The matrix helps nobody in this topic IMHO lol

I don't care about any of thar.

Moon is 200+ thousand miles away

You said the speed of a bullet. Most pistol rounds operate between 6-900 mph rifles 1500-2k.

Most people shoot bullets on earth, hence the speeds robtard gave you. They don't shoot them in space therefore all of your nonsense is unnecessary. You said a bullet is faster, it isn't. And neither is Neo.

Where else would he have gotten paint or any substance for that matter near the moon? Prove it isn't Earth paint. And guess what, if he went all the way to another planet to get it, it just makes him that much faster. Either way, you lose this argument.

On top of that, covering that much area with paint in 12 hours after excavating it would be multiple times faster than simpley getting to the moon. He would be way faster than the flash.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I don't care about any of thar.

Moon is 200+ thousand miles away

You said the speed of a bullet. Most pistol rounds operate between 6-900 mph rifles 1500-2k.

Most people shoot bullets on earth, hence the speeds robtard gave you. They don't shoot them in space therefore all of your nonsense is unnecessary. You said a bullet is faster, it isn't. And neither is Neo.

Where else would he have gotten paint or any substance for that matter near the moon? Prove it isn't Earth paint. And guess what, if he went all the way to another planet to get it, it just makes him that much faster. Either way, you lose this argument.

On top of that, covering that much area with paint in 12 hours after excavating it would be multiple times faster than simpley getting to the moon. He would be way faster than the flash.

^ Idiot response

I'll dumb it down for you.
Object A, accelerating at 300 ft/s², will reach the moon in under an hour.

Object B (a magical bullet) traveling at a constant speed of 3,000 ft/s would take just under 5 days to reach the moon.

Now, Object A would take 0.58 seconds to travel the first 50 feet, while Object B would take only 0.02 seconds to cover the same distance.

Does that mean Object B is faster? No.
Object B starts off faster, but Object A matches and exceeds its speed after 10 seconds. This is the principle of acceleration!

In conclusion, just because Hancock can reach the moon in under an hour doesn't mean he can cover the first 50 feet before a bullet can.

Lastly, we don't know how Hancock accomplished the moon feat or how long it took him. Speculation is not fact.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not only is your lack of basic physics understanding astounding, but you're also trolling by ignoring what I've already explained.

You don't need to escape Earth's gravity to reach the Moon, just as you don't need to escape it to jump onto a box. Gravity gets weaker the farther you are from Earth, making it progressively easier as you travel.

If you're traveling at a constant speed of 1 mph, you'd reach the Moon in 238,900 hours. It's not necessary to reach escape velocity or fully overcome Earth's gravitational attraction.

Your confusion stems from misunderstanding the term itself. Escape velocity refers to the speed an object must reach to avoid ever returning to Earth (i.e., to stay in orbit indefinitely). Rockets turn off their thrusters shortly after reaching escape velocity.

Anyhow.

"Rockets turn off their thrusters after reaching escape velocity" -h1a8

Bingo, meaning they had to reach it first, just like Hancock. Now you finally get it and Hancock is faster than a bullet 👆

We know Hancock is fast enough to fly to the moon, carve out the All-Heart logo, color it with 2 different shades of red, get back to Earth, then call Ray and tell him about it before he looked up even once while he was out with his family on the boardwalk. Even if he started the process the moment the moon went out of view, it's still beyond insanely fast.

Originally posted by Robtard

Anyhow.

"Rockets turn off their thrusters after reaching escape velocity" -h1a8

Bingo, meaning they had to reach it first, just like Hancock. Now you finally get it and Hancock is faster than a bullet 👆

It is not required for Hancock to reach escape velocity to get to the moon (straight line travel). He can get there traveling at a measly 1mph. However, it is required for him to reach escape velocity if he just wants to orbit the EARTH indefinitely WITHOUT USING ANY PROPULSION.

Hancock, accelerating at 300 ft/s^2, will reach the moon in under an hour.

A magical bullet traveling at a constant speed of 3,000 ft/s would take just under 5 days to reach the moon.

Who's faster? Hancock right?

Now, Hancock would take 0.58 seconds to travel the first 50 feet under that same acceleration, while the bullet would take only 0.02 seconds to cover the same distance.

Who's faster now? The bullet right?

The bullet starts off faster, but Hancock matches and exceeds its speed after 10 seconds. Yes, Hancock will reach escape velocity after just over 2 minutes of travel, though this isn't required to reach the moon. This is the principle of_acceleration!

Originally posted by KingD19
We know Hancock is fast enough to fly to the moon, carve out the All-Heart logo, color it with 2 different shades of red, get back to Earth, then call Ray and tell him about it before he looked up even once while he was out with his family on the boardwalk. Even if he started the process the moment the moon went out of view, it's still beyond insanely fast.

We have no idea about the time frame for anything. I rarely even glance at the moon when I'm outside.

He could have started his journey to the moon early in the morning and taken an hour to get there.

He might have spent over 8 hours on the moon doing who knows what.

Bottom line: We have no clue how he accomplished the feat, making it entirely unquantifiable as a speed feat. He's a magical, fictional god, and the possibilities for how he achieved it are limitless and entirely made up.

Originally posted by h1a8

Bottom line: We have no clue how he accomplished the feat, making it entirely unquantifiable as a speed feat.

Nah that's a complete fallacious copout 👇

It's obvious he didn't teleport or fold space to travel to the moon, but you want to negate the feat because it didn't actually show him traveling there. Bad faith shenanigans 👇

What we've learned is Hancock's abilities may be "limitless" and that he maybe colored the Moon shades of red using something not from Earth.

So maybe Hancock zipped over to Mars, picked up trillions of tons of martian soil with his mind powers, flew them to the Moon and carved and painted a giant heart in less than a day. Would explain the looney tunes level feat.

So ridiculous. It halfway pisses me off because he knows what he originally said and then wants to try and bring these ludicrous equations into it as if anyone needs to do that to know that ships and objects that travel to space are faster than a ****ing bullet.

And then the whole "space paint" which actually makes it a better feat makes me want to drink.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So ridiculous. It halfway pisses me off because he knows what he originally said and then wants to try and bring these ludicrous equations into it as if anyone needs to do that to know that ships and objects that travel to space are faster than a ****ing bullet.

And then the whole "space paint" which actually makes it a better feat makes me want to drink.

Hancock was shown traveling toward a full moon one month before Ray and Mary looked up and saw a full moon with a heart on it. This aligns with the lunar cycle, as consecutive full moons are approximately one month apart.

It is plausible that Hancock began his project 11 days after the full moon, at the start of the waning crescent phase, and finished by the beginning of the waxing crescent phase - about 7 days in total. During this period, the moon transitions from barely visible in the night sky to not visible at all, and back to being barely visible again.

Alternatively, it's possible that Hancock started at the third quarter moon and completed his work by the first quarter moon, a span of roughly 15 days. Personally, I've sometimes gone more than a month without looking up at the moon, so the timing discrepancy seems reasonable.

Furthermore, Hancock likely didn't return to Earth during this time. Ray mentioned that he tried calling Hancock, and Hancock responded by saying he was "out of range," implying he was still on the moon. Considering that the method Hancock used to alter the moon is unknown - and that he is a fictional being with superpowers - it's reasonable to assume he might have employed an unmentioned ability to complete the task.

I thought we don't assume things without proof, or give special attributes without proof?

This hitherto unmentioned superpower that has no proof sounds fishy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought we don't assume things without proof, or give special attributes without proof?

This hitherto unmentioned superpower that has no proof sounds fishy

We can assume anything we want, but assumptions, on their own, don't constitute proof. My assumption of Hancock using an unmentioned ability holds no more weight as evidence than any other speculative claim. This is why the feat cannot be used to definitively prove anything regarding speed.
That was my point.

Holds no more weight?

We at least know that he has superspeed. That has more weight than this mysterious X Power.