Originally posted by tkitna
Not after the last episode of "What If" when a Watcher destroyed him.I change my answer to Thanos now.
Nah, those Watchers were powerful enough to erase every version of their opposing team from The Multiverse, that's like way more power than The Infinity Stones ever showed.
No one has addressed that Thanos basically just uses the Stones like a big weapon, a glove he can do cool shit with.
Ultron fused with them.
Thanos with the gauntlet is still just Thanos physically, they don't amp his body.
With Ultron they do.
Thanos is a massive glass cannon and is also far slower and physically inferior, even if in theory they can both have the same powers.
Originally posted by RobtardWhat's his defence against a snap, it's not a direct blast.
Ultron's smarter, thinks faster, reacts faster and far more inventive with the stones. He'd win.
Was he really that fast though? Black widow and friends were all getting shots in.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well as far as comparable foes go I think his Universe's Thanos collecting Infinity Stones would be a decent one.
He could have done that by any means.
Spiderman had the gauntlet at one point, and we know how he got it. Hulk too. Tony too.
Even if we assume he got it the same way they are still not the same person meaning feats can't be transferred or shared.
We both agree Thanos wins this, I fail to see what point you're driving at here.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Means nothing.He could have done that by any means.
Spiderman had the gauntlet at one point, and we know how he got it. Hulk too. Tony too.Even if we assume he got it the same way they are still not the same person meaning feats can't be transferred or shared.
We both agree Thanos wins this, I fail to see what point you're driving at here.
I mean that's almost like saying Endgame Thanos is not the same person as IW Thanos. Ergo we can't use feats of both Endgame and IW for Thanos, only one or the other.
But we don't do that, because we realise they have the same history (up to GOTG1) and the same physiology.
As far as I can tell that What If episode only effected what happened on Earth up to the point where Ultron met Thanos. It shouldn't have have made any major changes to Thanos's physiology or his combat skills.
Otherwise we will have to compare the ability of their Infinity Stones separately as well as they are also from difference Universes.
But my main reasoning was comparing how they fair against like for like characters is always a valid point at least. Hence I didn't use it to say that's exactly what would happen.
FYI I didn't agree Thanos wins (definitely in question if we count Infinity Ultron slicing his Universe Thanos in a second). I just admitted it's a good point that Thanos will just snap. So Ultron would have to kill him faster than he snaps.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAs far as I can tell that What If episode only effected what happened on Earth up to the point where Ultron met Thanos. It shouldn't have have made any major changes to Thanos's physiology or his combat skills.
FYI I didn't agree Thanos wins (definitely in question if we count Infinity Ultron slicing his Universe Thanos in a second). I just admitted it's a good point that Thanos will just snap. So Ultron would have to kill him faster than he snaps.
I'm sure you're not lying, you just missed this; If Ultron acquired Vision's body and was still on earth it means the Avengers lost, Ultron took over Earth, which means , Tony and co didn't fight off Thanos, Thor too. Check what if widow's universe.
So again not the same,
You're notorious for interchanging What if character's feats with MCU. Stop it brah.
Amazing that someone can go into this thread and say "What is Ultron's defense against the snap?"without coming to the much more reasonable conclusion of "What is Thanos' defense against anything Ultron can do"? Ultron's head beam will cut Thanos in half far quicker than Thanos' fat ass can snap his fingers and if you think Thanos is tanking that from a full-powered Infinity Ultron when using the full might of the stones once crippled and badly wounded him from its backlash you're delusional.
And what makes anyone think the snap would even work on him? Name a single character half as powerful Thanos has killed with it. Infinity Ultron overpowered and tanked the Watcher, who per Strange Supreme has the cosmic power to stop and reverse the collapsing timeline he created.
Speaking of Watcher and Strange Supreme those characters would also roll Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet pretty easily.
Infinity Ultron stomps.
Originally posted by NemeBrothe stones only wounded thanos when he used them in a universal capacity. when he used the stones in a more localized way, he suffered no feedback at all. so i doubt that will be a problem here, since ultron is his only target. although endgame thanos seemed absolutely confident that he could "shred the universe down to its last atom" and "build a new one in its place" without dying, so who knows.
Amazing that someone can go into this thread and say "What is Ultron's defense against the snap?"without coming to the much more reasonable conclusion of "What is Thanos' defense against anything Ultron can do"? Ultron's head beam will cut Thanos in half far quicker than Thanos' fat ass can snap his fingers and if you think Thanos is tanking that from a full-powered Infinity Ultron when using the full might of the stones once crippled and badly wounded him from its backlash you're delusional.Infinity Ultron overpowered and tanked the Watcher, who per Strange Supreme has the cosmic power to stop and reverse the collapsing timeline he created.
i don't know how much merit i'd put into a desperate strange supreme thinking that uatu could save his universe, when even strange himself (who became more powerful than uatu) was unable to do it.
also i'm not sure where people are getting this notion that ultron will "speedblitz thanos ftw" or whatever, when ultron himself was getting blitzed by characters like tchalla, captain carter, and black widow. 😕
Originally posted by DarkSaint85thanos's only goal with the stones was killing half of the universe's population in a randomized way, so that's what he did. same thing when hulk reversed the snap.
The snap was also random, iirc. Thanos never used it offensively at a target.
but gauntlet snaps can still be used in a more localized way against specific targets. that's what tony did when he snapped away thanos and his army.
Originally posted by h1a8that was an alternate thanos who was completely unguarded. in this battle thanos goes in knowing that ultron has a complete set of infinity stones, and he is also out for the kill. i don't see mind stone flaying working.
MCU Thanos should be able to withstand MCU Vision's Mind Stone blast. However, in What If...?, a single blast from the Mind Stone sliced Thanos in half. This clearly demonstrates a significant difference in power levels between the two portrayals.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the stones only wounded thanos when he used them in a universal capacity. when he used the stones in a more localized way, he suffered no feedback at all. so i doubt that will be a problem here, since ultron is his only target. although endgame thanos seemed absolutely confident that he could "shred the universe down to its last atom" and "build a new one in its place" without dying, so who knows.i don't know how much merit i'd put into a desperate strange supreme thinking that uatu could save his universe, when even strange himself (who became more powerful than uatu) was unable to do it.
also i'm not sure where people are getting this notion that ultron will "speedblitz thanos ftw" or whatever, when ultron himself was getting blitzed by characters like tchalla, captain carter, and black widow. 😕
thanos's only goal with the stones was killing half of the universe's population in a randomized way, so that's what he did. same thing when hulk reversed the snap.
but gauntlet snaps can still be used in a more localized way against specific targets. that's what tony did when he snapped away thanos and his army.
that was an alternate thanos who was completely unguarded. in this battle thanos goes in knowing that ultron has a complete set of infinity stones, and he is also out for the kill. i don't see mind stone flaying working.
What Tony did doesn't equal what Thanos did.
When Thor was carving his chest open, he didn't get snapped away.
because his one and only goal with the stones was killing half the universe in a randomized manner- "but at random. dispassionate. fair to the rich and poor alike".
obviously thanos could have included an "oh and also erase every single avenger too!" clause into his snap, but he chose to keep it random like he intended from the start. not even an axe in the chest could change his resolve.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the stones only wounded thanos when he used them in a universal capacity. when he used the stones in a more localized way, he suffered no feedback at all. so i doubt that will be a problem here, since ultron is his only target. although endgame thanos seemed absolutely confident that he could "shred the universe down to its last atom" and "build a new one in its place" without dying, so who knows.
When he used a single stone in a more localized way he didn't harm himself. No one to my recollection has harmed themselves while using a single stone.
Thanos has no durability feats to imply he is tanking a hit from a casual galaxy buster.
i don't know how much merit i'd put into a desperate strange supreme thinking that uatu could save his universe, when even strange himself (who became more powerful than uatu) was unable to do it.
Based on what was Strange more powerful than Uatu? Certainly not Strange's own words which indicate the opposite. Strange is in the same realm of power as Uatu and Infinity Ultron but he's the floor of that tier, the lowest.
also i'm not sure where people are getting this notion that ultron will "speedblitz thanos ftw" or whatever, when ultron himself was getting blitzed by characters like tchalla, captain carter, and black widow. 😕
First of all, that was Killmonger you racist.
Second of all every character but Strange was amped by Strange's enchantment on their bodies to enable them to fight Ultron.
Third of all, there is literally no reason to view Thanos as faster than any of those characters. It's not that Ultron is so fast he can speedblitz like crazy. It's that Thanos isn't very fast at all and has nothing indicating he can avoid one of Ultron's many casual planet vaporizing attacks.
Originally posted by NemeBrothe collector's slavegirl was exploded just by holding the power stone. and thanos used multiple stones simultaneously a few different times without a problem.
When he used a single stone in a more localized way he didn't harm himself. No one to my recollection has harmed themselves while using a single stone.Thanos has no durability feats to imply he is tanking a hit from a casual galaxy buster.
okay. and infinity ultron got sniped by a normal arrow, and also had his arm smashed off by mjollnir. so it's not like he's impervious to harm, even with the stones.
Originally posted by NemeBrostrange supreme became more powerful by season 2- infinity ultron was one of the many multiversal superpowers that he beat and caged. strange also withstood captain carter's final infinity stone punch, which was so powerful that it shattered the gems. so he should scale above uatu, but still couldnt bring back his universe alone.
Based on what was Strange more powerful than Uatu? Certainly not Strange's own words which indicate the opposite. Strange is in the same realm of power as Uatu and Infinity Ultron but he's the floor of that tier, the lowest.
and season 3 strange supreme is basically god ("the" god) within his universe. literally all powerful.
Originally posted by NemeBrono that was tchalla. they don't all look alike, reported.👆
First of all, that was Killmonger you racist.Second of all every character but Strange was amped by Strange's enchantment on their bodies to enable them to fight Ultron.
Third of all, there is literally no reason to view Thanos as faster than any of those characters. It's not that Ultron is so fast he can speedblitz like crazy. It's that Thanos isn't very fast at all and has nothing indicating he can avoid one of Ultron's many casual planet vaporizing attacks.
strange's protection spell did just that- protected the others from ultron's attacks. it did not amp their physical abilities like speed and strength. that was all them.
that's fine. all i'm saying is that infinity ultron wasn't depicted as this speedster who will just immediately blitz thanos or whatever. not when he was getting overwhelmed by the speed and agility of a couple enhanced humans.