Originally posted by Senor Cage
Randos but she was easily dodging Eclipso's attacks, Deathstroke's attacks, etc... If she can blast Slade before he could do anything, Widow won't be doing anything.Who has Widow just shot and killed on Canary's level?
In Identity Crisis, Slade did this to her:
Too much PIS?
When she had help from the Birds of Prey, Slade did this to her:
When she fought him in Deathstroke Inc, he had her by the neck:
When she had help from Ollie, he had a sword in her mouth, until the JLA came to save them:
From the scans, pain stops the Canary Cry (as per Dinah's narration when he breaks her arm). Who says she has to kill? She has poisons (which take out Dr Nemesis), she has her Widow's Bite (which took out Hawkeye), explosives (whcih destroys Sentinels) etc.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
She still dodged some of his attacks and we seen how powerful the cry can be, even at half power. It messed him up. Widow would be no different.
Again, because he wasn't there to fight her, but to recruit her. So her dodging his attacks doesn't mean anything:
And as for dodging Eclipso 'easily':
It was all an illusion. She didn't dodge anything. And it doesn't show how powerful her cry is at all, but the opposite:
Point blank, full strength cry - it didn't even KO him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, because he wasn't there to fight her, but to recruit her. So her dodging his attacks doesn't mean anything:And as for dodging Eclipso 'easily':
It was all an illusion. She didn't dodge anything. And it doesn't show how powerful her cry is at all, but the opposite:
Point blank, full strength cry - it didn't even KO him.
In all fairness, her not knocking out DS has nothing to do with this fight. Either:
1. She has much greater feats, such as blasting through thick steel doors and exceeding 300 dB, or
2. Characters don't share feats. DS gets that feat, not Black Canary.
In my opinion, BC stomps this fight with a simple scream. Outside of that, she's a street-leveler. If she were that easy to shoot, she wouldn't be considered one.
Slade was trying to recruit her to work with him. He wasn't trying to hurt her at all.
Skill doesn't mean anything if she gets shot from 500m away. Which Widow can easily do.
With regards to Bucky, she has been brainwashed to hold back against the Winter Soldier:
Some idea of her explosives:
https://imgur.com/a/bw-gear-feats-ca-638-L1Uv4nB
A tiny minor charge is powerful enough to destroy a giant mech which had bulletproof windows. Another of her explosives is powerful enough to destroy a Sentinel:
https://imgur.com/FSIM0Sv
Her darts against Deathlok:
https://imgur.com/a/bw-poison-darts-fDLE8vJ
And poison gas:
https://imgur.com/tZcu08j
As soon as Canary takes a deep breath to scream, she inhales instant KO gas. Or large AoE explosives. At this distance, I wouldn't give Canary 1/10 against, say, Batman with his gear, regardless of skill. If you wanted it to be h2h, then that's different, but this is anything goes, as you said.
She's fast enough to make Taskmaster - who had both Bullseye and Hawkeyes skills - miss. She's fast enough to react to sniper bullets AFTER they're fired by Punisher (who alone is fast enough to move with lightning).
And she has MASSIVE AoE capabilites on top of that (so doesn't even need to aim, though she is good enough to do so if needed - remember, her aims good enough that even Bullseye couldn't see her, she was so far away).
Canary's best bet is to get close (impossible over 500m) and use the cry. At long distances, her cry isn't that impressive, unless you have feats that aren't in her respect thread lol.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
But not fast enough to beat Bullseye or winter Soldier. 😖hifty: She's not that fast, imo. Super soldier fast but we've recently seen Canary fight someone more skilled than either of these 3.
In a ring, in h2h, sure.
Shiva didn't have any explosives or guns or Widow Bites with her, though. And this fight starts with contestants 500m apart, where Canary's cry is significantly weaker, whilst guns etc are....not.