Re: Silver Surfer vrs Superman (MOS)
Originally posted by tkitna
Can the Surfer hurt Superman if Superman just stood there without fighting back? Apparently H1 feels there's no way that Surfer can even harm Superman and i'm curious as to what the masses think.
Originally posted by h1a8
We're not imagining how things would go in a movie - we're comparing the greatest feat of attack to the greatest feat of durability.The question now becomes:
Does Surfer have any showings where his attack power output equals or exceeds the greatest feat Superman has endured?
Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes off
Surfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.
Originally posted by h1a8
We're not imagining how things would go in a movie - we're comparing the greatest feat of attack to the greatest feat of durability.The question now becomes:
Does Surfer have any showings where his attack power output equals or exceeds the greatest feat Superman has endured?
Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes off
Surfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.
Originally posted by tkitna
Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes offSurfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.
Although one's durability doesn't equate to the level of one's power output
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Show us Surfer tanking these so-called concussive forces from planets exploding. Until then, he gets one-shot off the board.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer created a blast that killed a being that dwarfed earth in size. Surger could hold back most of his power and kill Superman. Superman literally died by a nuke and was knocked out by an oil tanker falling on him. He was also turned to dust from the mother boxes exploding.
Surfer possibly triggered a chain reaction in the core of a cloud-like being. Ever seen someone topple a small domino that eventually knocks over planks weighing tons? That kind of feat doesn't guarantee Surfer can harm Superman - especially if Superman just sits there and does nothing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Surfer was drilling holes through the Planet. MOS Supes is simply not on his level.
Drilling holes? That's not impressive - especially considering it took him around 2-3 days to drill just five. That averages about 8 to 12 hours per hole. It adds up, given that Doom was able to reach Greenland by helicopter to confront the Surfer. Visually, each hole appears to be roughly 350-500 feet in diameter and about 800-1,000 feet deep.
Steel is like paper to Superman - let alone ice, dirt, or soil.
Superman has feats that range from millions of tons to handling forces in the quintillions.
Given Superman's near Flash-level speed and immense strength, he could drill the holes significantly faster - potentially completing each one in just seconds to a few minutes.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Made up feats and numbers don't count.
It's called math, divide 2–3 days by 5 holes. The Surfer travels fast, so reaching each drill site doesn't take long. We even see Doom has enough time to fly to Greenland in a helicopter while the Surfer is still drilling.
If you see an issue with that, contest it and explain why. This is a debate - so debate.
Either way, we both agree that drilling holes in the Earth isn't impressive for characters on Superman's level, or even Wonder Woman's.
That said, the burden is on you to prove how this feat compares to what Superman has done. If you can't provide numbers, even low-end estimates, your argument has no legs to stand on.
Originally posted by carver9
H1, have you ever convinced anyone that the character youre rooting for can win?
Yes, I have.
But it's important to recognize that some people approach these debates with strong biases, and at that point, it's less about discovering the truth and more about standing ground.
For example, I stated:
For a statement to be recognized as hyperbole, there must be context or general understanding that it exceeds factual truth, supported by evidence or common knowledge to the contrary. Otherwise, the writer risks the audience interpreting it as a literal claim.
That point was overlooked, which suggests the discussion may be more about defending a position than objectively evaluating the argument.
I dont believe you. You just say anything and if anyone takes anything you say as fact, they are crazy. You type anything and ignore all that goes against anything you say. Its such a waste of time debating you. The movie forum has the mental strength of a honey bagger by giving you their time debating you for pages.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont believe you. You just say anything and if anyone takes anything you say as fact, they are crazy. You type anything and ignore all that goes against anything you say. Its such a waste of time debating you. The movie forum has the mental strength of a honey bagger by giving you their time debating you for pages.
Lol, you don’t believe me?
Are you really relying on blind trust rather than thinking for yourself?
Debating isn't about belief - it's about understanding language, logic, and applying your own reasoning to assess whether a statement holds up.
If I challenge something, it's because I have a valid reason to do so.
This is a debate forum, after all. Isn't the whole point to engage in critical discussion?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No he hasn't. He's never even convinced someone here that he may have a good point.
This
He just looks at threads and purposely goes against the norm just so he can be heard. He then argues against common sense with the dumbest questions and points people have ever seen. He'll ask you to prove something that can't be proven while never holding his side of the argument to the same standards. He truly is a waste of time to even engage.
Originally posted by carthage
FOX Surfer transmutes him into the board or vaporizes him with a blast.
1. Surfer would be statued in this fight.
2. He has no feats showing he can blast-vaporize someone with Superman-level durability.
Superman either one-shots him off the board or one-shots him outright.