Originally posted by Darth Thor
He flew from one solar system to another in a few seconds. You can ChatGBT the speed on that.He never hit Aquaman or WW whilst they were statued. So we have no idea how hard he can hit while his opponent is statued.
Yeah Steppenwolf was slow motion, not a statue. Surfer fights in flight mode. Ergo he will always be moving much faster than Steppenwolf. Ergo not a statue, heck not even slow.
Yes you do. You're stuck on this point which is why you're trying to move on./
That's not how the rules here work. You can't just make up a character who has never been kocked out will be knocked out by an arbitary amount of force.
But at least Surfer has durability feats to physical force. Superman has none against being transmted into his board.
Not only that but he will just go Intangible. Superman can't lay a finger on him.
Speculation.
And yet The Thing couldn't seperate Surfer. Science was needed.
Heck traversing through Space doesn't knock Sufer off his board. Superman is stuck here.
Yes he did. Quit making excuses.
And he drills a hole through the Earth.
And he transmutes his opponents or attacks against him. And he goes Intangible. Superman can't even touch him.
Surfer stomps. And you're a Troll.
1. We're not given a timeframe for how long it took Surfer to arrive; it could've been days or even weeks.
Traveling within an atmosphere is significantly slower than in a vacuum due to drag forces.
I once posted a calculation showing that someone traveling to the nearest solar system in a week would only cover the first 20 meters in about 0.01 seconds. That's because of acceleration-objects need time to build up speed.
You also can't move faster than your reflexes allow. Humans can guide FTL ships in space because the distances are vast, but they couldn't navigate through a house at those speeds.
2. Superman can hit extremely hard while others appear statued. He retains his strength, and due to the velocity, the kinetic energy behind his punches would be astronomical. Superman's punch speed was nearly matching the propagation speed of the lightning around Flash.
3. I'm not claiming Superman can't be transmuted by Surfer. Transmuting human-level material doesn't prove being able to transmute steel or vastly more durable substances. If you claim Surfer can transmute Superman, you need to show him doing so to something comparably durable.
4. Characters don't get special attributes without evidence. You're assigning Surfer the durability to tank a 500-ton punch without being KO'd, with no proof. That's not how it works.
Surfer can't just go intangible before being hit, especially if Superman doesn't give him the chance. Even if allowed, Surfer must be tangible to attack, meaning he's vulnerable during the fight.
5. How is it speculation to say Surfer would be statued or appear to move like a snail? What's the fastest he's traveled and reacted during a fight?
6. Thing never hit Surfer, he hit Doom, who had Surfer's powers. Traveling through space isn't the same as tanking a 100-ton punch. Humans in fiction can travel in space without issue. We could calculate the G-forces acting on Surfer, but we'd need his acceleration data in space to do that.
7. Now you're trolling. The cloud was already there; Surfer didn't create it. Triggering a chain reaction inside a cloud isn't the same as producing the cloud itself. As for the drilling argument, I already mathematically proved that it's a weak feat. You completely ignore that argument, which is trolling.