Best dueling feats in canon?

Started by Total Warrior3 pages

Best dueling feats in canon?

Similarly to our force feats thread, what are the best dueling feats we’ve seen so far in canon?

By dueling I mean:
-H2H combat
-Sabers combat

I’ll start, not in order of course:

-Sidious oneshotting two councilors, killing one in seconds and then dueling Mace

-Sidious easily fending off both Maul and Savage at the same time

-Porter Engle redirecting blaster fire by many shooters with extreme precision

-Qimir efficiently combining both the use of Kortosis and Tarkata, overwhelming a large group of Jedi with ease

-Quinlan Vos landing a kick on Dooku’s belly, then turning around and kicking Grevious off a balcony, while being attacked by both at the same time. Previously Vos had also cut off two of Grevious’s hands with one quick slash.

-Anakin dismantling a powerful duelist like Dooku in seconds in RotS.

Do you agree with these? What else could we add?

ROTJ Luke being able to match ROTJ Vader in sabers has to be #1 considering he only trained for a few years to get to that level.

Originally posted by Sheev
ROTJ Luke being able to match ROTJ Vader in sabers has to be #1 considering he only trained for a few years to get to that level.
👆 Vader was one of(if not *the*) best lightsaber wielders in galactic history, yet Luke was able to reach that level with just a few years of imperfect/rudimentary [by comparison] training. That one will always be insane.

That said, this feat from Porter:

Originally posted by Total Warrior
-Porter Engle redirecting blaster fire by many shooters with extreme precision
...Was just a great display of sheer badassery:

*I do prefer this showing, though:

g007_teehee

Yeah some Kreia level stuff he did there, impressive

I forgot to add:

Kenobi ending Maul’s life in three slashes.

That was impressive

That had more to do with Kenobi's inner growth and less to do with saber skill IMO, but still definitely one of the best lightsaber moments for sure.

Originally posted by Galan007
That said, this feat from Porter:
...Was just a great display of sheer badassery:

*I do prefer this showing, though:

g007_teehee

Awesome showings. But the problem with THR characters is always going to be- how can we scale them to PT and OT characters, when Yoda is the only measuring stick from that era who stuck around to be a gauge, and his skills could have improved over time.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Awesome showings. But the problem with THR characters is always going to be- how can we scale them to PT and OT characters, when Yoda is the only measuring stick from that era who stuck around to be a gauge, and his skills could have improved over time.
Wasn't posting those feats to prove that Porter is better than anyone in particular... They're just badass showings in general. 👆

And technically Yoda isn't the "only" THR measuring stick we have. Kirak Infil'a was also a THR Jedi... And by the RotS-era(after taking the Barash Vow and stepping away from all Jedi affairs for [presumably] decadeS), he scales above Kenobi and possibly even Dooku, depending on your interpretation of the "more powerful than ANY [Vader] has faced before" line. He was also above RotS Vader, but that was massively pre-prime.

Originally posted by Galan007
Kirak Infil'a was also a THR Jedi...
He was? 😕 But if so it still leaves us with the same problem as with Yoda doesn't it? Because we don't know how much Kirak improved over that time, if he even did at all.

Originally posted by Sheev
He was? 😕
Yes:
https://ibb.co/LhbrDj6j

A younger Kirak was also featured in Shadows of Starlight:
https://ibb.co/Wvvjv4Fd

...And I think he was referenced in Trials of the Jedi as well. Soule works THR content into anything he can. 👆

Originally posted by Sheev
But if so it still leaves us with the same problem as with Yoda doesn't it? Because we don't know how much Kirak improved over that time, if he even did at all.
True, but Kirak took the Barash Vow and entirely withdrew from Jedi affairs LONG before he fought Vader. Granted we don't know exactly when he took the Vow, but given that Kirak was absent from the PT-era all together, we can logically assume that he took the Vow sometime before TPM -- and obviously didn't resurface again until just after RotS. IOW, Kirak essentially wasn't doing anything but meditating and trying to find inner balance/peace for a period of at least 13 years(likely far longer.) So I guess it's possible that his power/control/understanding of the Force might've increased in that time(it wasn't stated one way or the other), but his lightsaber skills? Highly doubtful, imo(he only had training droids to spar with)... But that's only important when Porter enters the chat, cuz "GOAT" scaling.

I was mainly just pointing out that Yoda wasn't the "only" potential THR measuring stick who survived into the PT-era. /shrug

For what it's worth, Kirak definitely isn't the warrior he would one day become during the time of The High Republic. In Shadows of Starlight and Trials of the Jedi, Kirak is consistently depicted as the Jedi Order's armorer. Porter Engle muses during Trials that once he retires from being the Jedi's "destroyer" that they send after dangerous individuals, the Order will have to find a new "destroyer." Given how Kirak is described in the Vader comic, his only role within the Order being "to fight," I'm pretty sure Porter eventually passed the torch on to Kirak

Besides Porter, are there any other THR characters with dueling feats worth mentioning?

Off the top of my head:

Ty Yorrick dueled Elzar Mann (one of the most powerful Jedi of the era) and Stellan Gios (a Council member), and had the upper hand against both of them. She nearly killed Elzar Mann, had it not been for outside circumstances.

Keeve Trennis consistently outperformed her master, Sskeer, and once defeated Avar Kriss, a council-level Jedi.

I'll have to do some proper digging to dredge up some of the more impressive group-busting feats. I know Azlin Rell kills several Drengir bare-handed, but that's less of a "dueling" feat and more of a Force feat for him.

I've actually been trying to get a good gauge on the Drengir. I know they're strong, but they also shut down the Force.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆 Vader was one of(if not *the*) best lightsaber wielders in galactic history, yet Luke was able to reach that level with just a few years of imperfect/rudimentary [by comparison] training. That one will always be insane.

Few years? Pfft. Rey beat Kylo Ren (a direct descendant or Vader who was trained by Luke) within a few Hours of finding out the Force is a thing 😛

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Few years? Pfft. Rey beat Kylo Ren (a direct descendant or Vader who was trained by Luke) within a few Hours of finding out the Force is a thing 😛

That one really, really doesn't count for anything. Zett Jukassa could have beaten Kylo Ren at the end of TFA

Originally posted by Sheev
I've actually been trying to get a good gauge on the Drengir. I know they're strong, but they also shut down the Force.

The Drengir are kind of weird. You might be mixing them up with the Nameless, though. Drengir are dark side-aligned carnivorous plants. Nameless are the creatures that eat the Force.

When Drengir first showed up in phase 1 of THR, they were a serious threat. One Drengir often took multiple Jedi to defeat, since the Drengir can attack with several vines at once, regenerate from most injuries, and burrow at high speeds. The thorns on their vines also contain a potent toxin, with even just a couple scratches being enough to incapacitate a Jedi. What's more, they reproduce incredibly fast, so where there is one Drengir, there are likely dozens more.

That said, by the end of phase 1, the Jedi had plenty of experience fighting them, and most of our main Jedi characters could reliably fight multiple Drengir at once. Azlin Rell is the only character we've seen ripping them apart with his bare hands though.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
That one really, really doesn't count for anything. Zett Jukassa could have beaten Kylo Ren at the end of TFA

I doubt that.

But I agree it shouldn't count for anything. Not because Kylo was shot and conflicted or whatever. But because that film/trilogy and the Rey character absolutely suck balls.

Even though wasnt listed : I personally reckon: Maul vs Qui gon and Obi from TPM that never gets old.
Aniken vs Dooku
Aniken vs Obi TPM
Maul vs Sids

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Few years? Pfft. Rey beat Kylo Ren (a direct descendant or Vader who was trained by Luke) within a few Hours of finding out the Force is a thing 😛
Aside from the fact that Kylo was injured/conflicted/weakened when he fought Rey(which massively nerfed him), the TLJ novelization also tried to [sloppily] reconcile Rey's performance there...

"Kylo had retreated at finding Rey in his head--had practically fled from her. But that had not been the end of that strange, sudden connection. She had seen more--far more. Somehow, almost instinctually, she knew how he accessed some of the powers at his command--even though she didn't understand them. It was as if his training had become hers, unlocking and flinging open door after door in her mind."

IOW, when Rey and Kylo's minds connected in TFA, much of Kylo's knowledge/experience/training was essentially uploaded into Rey(as a byproduct of the Dyad connection.) It's a lazy asspull from writers, but unfortunately it also helps account for Rey doing as well as she did against Kylo(despite never even holding a lightsaber), and explains why/how she was on the fast-track right out of the gate: she basically had a cheat code that gave her several years worth of high-level knowledge and training, instantly.

Luke, however, didn't have a Dyad to lean on. His growth was all natty. 👆