merovingian

This goes back up the page a bit...

What Omega said is right, and I was about to point that out, Neo will NOT fight the Architech and he will NOT meet him again, becase as said in ETM when Niobe and Ghost are in the endless doors construct, the key maker says that "Ounce the key [to the source] has been used, it can not be used again" also, only the keymaker could make the key, AND the whole floor of that building blew up, thus no more door, AND you think that the security around the nucleare power plant would be a bit more high?

Also I hate when people talk about things they don't know, even if it is me.

Yo,
To get back at what Omega said, I think Merovingian is an exiled programer, like The Twins, he just chose to stay in the Matrix.

I think the Merovingian is more than just an exiled program. The Merovingians were a line of French kings from the 5th to the 8th century, and later the name of an order of the holy grail. A coincidence? Not likely.
The Oracle says he’s one of the OLDEST and most dangerous programs still around. In my personal theory of the Matrix each loop runs through the 20th century, so to find his purpose one might have to look at the beginning of the 20th century for something/someone as a clue.
Exiled programs GO to the Merovingian for protection OR he collects them. He knows (or have sampled) most languages.
"The Prieuré also claims to be the Guardians of the Holy Grail--the sacred icon of the Merovingian bloodline which blasphemously purports to be the blood descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. According to another popular Grail book, Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Laurence Gardner, the Merovingian dynasty derives its name from the 5th century King Merovee of France, a descendant of the mystical Fisher-Kings, who was reportedly sired by:

"...the mysterious sea beast -- the Bistea Neptunis -- as symbolically defined in the Merovingian ancestry. The relevant sea-lord was King Pallas, a god of old Arcadia…The immortal sea-lord was said to be 'ever-incarnate in a dynasty of ancient kings' whose symbol was a fish - as was the traditional symbol of Jesus."
http://watch.pair.com/priory.html

In Enter The Matrix it states that Merovingian is an exile. He is an exile like the twins like the keymaker etc.

WHAT THE HECK IS ALL THIS??? (thanx for the support I forgot about that one) ARE YOU TRYING TO DO THE TRINITY THING IN ETM?? BUT WHAT IS ALL THAT FOR???

Originally posted by hodgie723
To tell all of you. The is no one more obssesed with The Matrix than I am. There is no one more knolwedgeable about The Matrix than I as well. To say that the Merogvingian was a past One is complete nonsence. Yes, I do beleive that Persephone says that her husband used to be like Neo, but that only means that she used to love him like Trinity loves Neo. Truly, i do beleive that Neo will undoubtably kill The Architecht and prove that he is a fraud, argo have the mergovingian tardiving.

If the real theory is MWAM (whateever), then your wrong.

Merovingian = Past One.
Persephone = Past Trinity.

Also, the neos on the screens aren't previous ones, they are different states of neos minds.

Originally posted by twisted-signs
If the real theory is MWAM (whateever), then your wrong.

Merovingian = Past One.
Persephone = Past Trinity.

Also, the neos on the screens aren't previous ones, they are different states of neos minds.

Mero WAS NOT a past One, because if he WAS then he would have a body, wich he DOES NOT. Also, without a body he can't really live.

And, It is NOT diffrent states of Neo's mind, but diffrent Possibilities of his answer.

Merovingian = Hades

Hm, I think Mero was a previous One... also because to my knowledge, he gets his name from the (Christian?) cult of the Merovignians, who I think believed they were the direct descendents of God or Jesus or something... not quite sure...

Oh, and he's the supposed "King of the Matrix", because he has collected rogue programs, etc. (Matrix, irm, v4, I think, agents - and the twins, respectively!) from previous versions of the Matrix... how else would he have obtained the knowledge of previous Matrices?

Just my tuppence...

~Ikobe

PS. Mero's cool, na?

The Merovingian is NOT A past "One", and Neo's predecessors were not younger than him. Are we forgetting that in Reloaded the Merovingian spoke of his (Neo's) predecessors as having more respect. I truly doubt he would have been refering to children.

If Merovingian is a past one, than where is he plugged in??? Why doesnt he age??? Why did he turn evil????? Why did he knew love (married Persephone) when it is only Neo that learned love. So with all these factors come into play, than i dont think he is a previous one.

kobeprodgi> Mind explaining how respect have anything to do with the age of the previous Ones. What about all the children in the Oracles office in M1? She was obviously looking for the One to be YOUNG. Very young. Neo is most likely the oldest anomaly yet.

The idea, that the Merovingian COULD, maybe, be a previous One is based on his current state in the Matrix. He’s been through several reloads of the Matrix, and survived intact. He knows what’s really going on – and seems interested in the key, that The One must use to get to the Source.
IF this is the case he needs no body. His digital self roams freely. It is possible. In EtM we learn, that Neo’s mind (aka the mental projection of his digital self) is trapped in the Matrix. So it is possible to make a copy it seems or be in the Matrix without the hardline.

"Omega"> "Respect", was not the word to be stressed upon. It was the idea that the Merovingian had meet the previous "Ones". I don't believe they woul have been children when he (Merovingian) would have meet them. True Neo may have been the oldest mind to be freed, however that only means that "minds" were usually freed when young! The "potentials", in the Oracle's apartment would still have to mature before they would have been allowed into the Matrix. Check out my posts in "Matrix Philisopical Theories" about the purpose of the "One" or rather how he has no purpose as far as keeping the Matrix going. As for the Merovingian, I still contend that he is not a previous "One". The Oracle mentioned in "Reloaded" he (Merovingian) was the oldest of us, meaning one of the oldest programs. You must take into account that each run of the Matrix would not have been identical. Some of the players would have been different. For example in a previous run it may not have been necessary to obtain the "Key Maker" in order to reach the "Source". And with his death in "Reloaded", if there were to be a seventh version he (Key Maker) would not be there, so there would be an alternative path for the new "One" to take. Please reply, am interested to hear u'r take

Originally posted by The Omega
The screens in the Architects room doesn’t mean we’re looking at the previous Ones, because then there would be hundreds of predecessors. They show various states of Neos mind.
The previous Ones would first of all have been YOUNGER than Neo. Probably as young as the children we see in the Oracles office in M1. If the previous Ones were Neo-copies why should they not have known love? We already saw the screens in M1, were neo was about to be interviewed by agent Smith, and no one around here is trying to claim it shows Neo and his five predecessors having ALL been interviewed by Smith. Because then the previous five loops would have been complete copies of the run of the Matrix we’re in now, and that means there would also have been five Trinity’s and five love-affairs before this one. In blatant contradiction with what the Architect tells Neo.
So either
a) the previous Ones were not and did not even look like Neo, or
b) the previous Ones also knew love.

Hodgie> For one who claims to know everything, you lack knowledge of a simple sentence: Neo will not kill the Architect, as they will NOT meet again.

Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.
TV Neos: 5 `One's before me? 4! 3! 2! What are you talking about?

Of all those peeps on the screen, some were the previous ones reactions. Others must have been his choices

Originally posted by GABRIEL05
Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.
TV Neos: 5 `One's before me? 4! 3! 2! What are you talking about?

Of all those peeps on the screen, some must have been the previous ones reactions. Or else why would they say "4 3 2". Others must have been his choices

To say that Neo chose to save Trinity rather than Zion purely on the basis of his love for her is just plain wrong. One would fist have to assume that the previous five "Ones" based on a similar predication made the opposite choice because they did not know love. Now while they may not have known the intense love Neo has for Trinity they being human would have had love or knew love on some level. We are not giving Neo enough credit and overlooking what truely makes Neo different from those before him. It's his refusal to accept, what he has been told, is his role in the grand design that is the Matrix. The choice to save Trinity to him would have been a no brainer. To chose Zion would only be to submit to the system and allow for mankind to remain enslaved by the machines. And this I think is primary theme of the Trilogy. Nonconformity, going against the grain, individualism, not just accepting what has been placed before you, the quest to be truely free.

Kobeprodgi> My point is simply, that the previous Ones must’ve been a lot younger than Neo. As young as the children in the Oracles apartment in M1, since they were the other “potentials.”

“The "potentials", in the Oracle's apartment would still have to mature before they would have been allowed into the Matrix. ”

Pardon me, but they WERE IN the Matrix already. Why should they mature? A child can be pretty smart and know what to do as The Kid story shows in Animatrix. And the spoon-kid in M1.
The Keymaker could very easily be reloaded with a reload of the Matrix. He serves that one purpose alone. To make a key for the One. A special key. That is his sole purpose. Once that is done, his purpose in the current run of the Matrix is over. He is still just a program.

Gabriel05> But there were hundreds of screens. I’m sure you do not contest that there have been hundreds of runs of the Matrix, right? The children in the Oracles apartment also shows, that no one knows HOW the One will look. The previous Ones were not Neo-copies. Otherwise the entire five previous loops would’ve been complete copies in contradiction with the end of Reloaded. The screens are also shown in M1 before Neo is interviewed by Agent Smith. They show the exact same thing. If they were previous Ones again there would’ve been hundreds of Neos, doing the EXACT same thing, meaning that IF the screens show previous Ones
1) there have been more than five before Neo
2) the previous runs of the Matrix are exact copies of the current run (hence there would’ve been a Trinity).

Omega> Your in denial ! The "Keymaker", like the "Merovingian" and the "Oracle" were exiled programs. They chose to be exiled (ie. reside in the Matrix) rather than be deleted or return to the "Source" the computer main frame. These prgrams are not just "reloaded" as you put it, with each new version of the Matrix. If that were the case there would be no continuity. Neither the Merovingian nor the Oracle would have any knowledge of the past. Remember in the freeway scene in "Reloaded" the Agents primary concern was the eradication of the "exiler" (the Keymaker) rather than Trinity or Morpheus. If programs like these would just return with each reboot why go through all the trouble to dispence with them ?

Originally posted by The Omega

Gabriel05> But there were hundreds of screens. I’m sure you do not contest that there have been hundreds of runs of the Matrix, right? The children in the Oracles apartment also shows, that no one knows HOW the One will look. The previous Ones were not Neo-copies. Otherwise the entire five previous loops would’ve been complete copies in contradiction with the end of Reloaded. The screens are also shown in M1 before Neo is interviewed by Agent Smith. They show the exact same thing. If they were previous Ones again there would’ve been hundreds of Neos, doing the EXACT same thing, meaning that IF the screens show previous Ones
1) there have been more than five before Neo
2) the previous runs of the Matrix are exact copies of the current run (hence there would’ve been a Trinity).

If what the smithee boy tells us is true, then the anomaly, and THE ONE are two totally different things.

1. There was five ANOMOLIES. Yes, but not five CHOSEN ONE's. However I still believe the screens were Neo's choices, AND his predecesors choices, provided that all the anomalies looked alike.

2. Remember. This anomaly is different than the rest, hell this MATRIX (v. 6.0) is different from the rest. So there might not have been a Trinity, but an equivalent.

What's wierd is if there is no more anomaly. If it has degraded, then the machines finally have their perfect Matrix I suppose.

The Merovingian states before the Chateu battle that "I have survived your predecessors". So, NO, he couldn't have been a past one. Or could he?