Okay, the Bleach characters fighting are:
Ichibei (Bankai,)
Yamamoto (Bankai, both arms,)
Oetsu
Mugetsu Ichigo and Current Ichigo (turns out all of his power up to now has only been a fraction of his actual power that he now has)
Yhwach (Almighty is activated, and he has all of his power.)
Vs
Naruto (Yang seal.)
Sasuke (Yin seal and Rinnegan.)
Kakashi (DMS)
Might Gai.
Bleach has knowledge of Rinnegan (MS) abilities, but nothing else; Naruto has knowledge of some of Yama's attacks, and Mugetsu but nothing else.
To those who say Naruto is faster, then check this out.
Ichibei has moved his hand so fast that he bent space. (please log in to view the image)
Ichibei's Senri can blast Yhwach 1000Ri (4000km) away and he crossed that same distance in a second. (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Lightning moves 224000mph per second which is the equivalent of 3700 miles per minute (not a typo, the belief that it moves 3700 miles per second is incorrect.)
Lightning is Mach 180-300.
Ichibei's feet is about Mach 11000.
Ichigo also blitzed Lightning and crossed the entire Seireitei in a second.
Debate!
Naruto is generally considered stronger then Bleach, but I forgot to add Kaguya, sorry, I meant to have her on the team.
I only noticed this just now; I can't edit it now, but do you wish to go by the assumption that Naruto has Kaguya on their side?
I'll allow you all to make the decision.
Last edited by Kaldin on Feb 20th, 2015 at 02:08 PM
Well, first off, I don't remember Ichibei ever "bending space".
Anyway, a few things.
Firstly, 1 RI = 2.44 miles
Sound = 768 mph = 12.8 mps
1,000 RI = 244,000 miles
244,000 mps = Ichibei's speed
Speed of Ichibe = 19,062.5 times faster than sound, or mach 19,062.
So, overall, Ichibei is about mach 19,000. Impressive.
Now, let's look at Naruto.
I could go all around, scaling character speeds from how the Jyuubi shot a biju bomb across several countries to reach the lightning country, or how massive the gods tree was, or how characters have been moving as fast as lightning since Killer Bee in first cloak mode, but it's easier just to give reaction speed.
The easiest way to do that is by using Jyuubidara and Jyuubito. Both of whom were casually able to react to, and even outspeed Minato's Hiraishin, which teleports his body as a mass of light, and at the speed of light. Meaning that their combat speed is FTL+. Kaguya is "on a whole other level" than those two, and Naruto and Sasuke both managed to combat her, and even physically dominate her at times.
Not saying the Naruto characters are FTL in movement speed, but they can definitely react to it, and work with their warping techniques in tandum with their ridiculous reaction speeds to make them the equivalent to MFTL, at least when fighting. I'd definitely say though that certain characters later on get FTL in movement speed, such as Gai in 8th gate and above.
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Also, Ichibe clearly didn't actually blast him back 4,000 kilometers. I mean, the arena where they were previously fighting is still visible, you know--though I admit the attack may potentially have been as powerful as one of Gai's Air Canons.
Honestly, though, if we were to assume energy equivalency... Naruto could, using his Truth Seeker Orbs. Also, Sasuke's Amaterasu can burn it, theoretically. Kakashi's Kamui is also a viable tactic to use against it...
i think dc wise naruto characters are stronger but i also think ichibei yama gii and juha have some abilities that some naruto characters cant deal with
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Last edited by yungz22 on Feb 27th, 2015 at 06:08 PM
Yeah, and absolute zero is so cold that all molecular movement stops (**** zero point energy). That's why it's absolute, there is nothing lower than it.
The thing about absolute zero, however, is that IIRC it's a theoretical limit and can't be achieved by any current technological means (if ddm were here I'd ask him about this, but he's not so I can't), because heat transfers and shit. So everything would have to be absolute zero for anything to be absolute zero, I think.
Anyway this thread is trash. Kaguya would solo as of right now.
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