Some friends of mine and I was having a discussion on what would have happened if Qui-Gon hadn't died and would have trained Anakin, instead of Obi training him. My friends seemed to think that if Qui-Gon had trained him that Anakin would not have fallen to the Dark Side. But there I think they are wrong, I actually think that with Qui-Gon as his master Anakin could have turned to the Dark Side faster. I think this since I got the impression that Qui-Gon is a very radical Jedi compared to the rest, and I wouldn't think it too unlikely that he would have joined Dooku if he had gotten the chance. As Dooku told Obi in AotC. Does anyone want to back up my thought, or perhaps my friends thought?
I think Qui Gon was really a Sith all a long but he died before it could be revealed
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Qui-Gon wouldn't have joined Dooku, that's all I can say without spoiling you.
Anakin wouldn't have turned to the dark side, Obi-Wan is more uptight, strict and wants Anakin to follow the book, Qui-Gon would give Anakin a break, maybe let him see his mother. Qui-Gon and Anakin got along more, so Anakin would've fufilled his destiny some other way.
But still if Qui-Gon had trained Anikan then the OT wouldn't make sence because Obi-Wan said he trained Anikan. Then again there are many things that don't make sence
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Qui-Gonn was a radical, but not as radical as Dooku. He believed in the living force, not the darkside, which Dooku was always leaning toward. I think had Anakin been trained by Qui-Gonn he would have been more responsive to Qui-Gonn's methods and although I'm not saying he wouldn't, he would be much less likely to turn. Besides, he would have sensed Anakin's trust in Palpatine, and instead of arguing with him about it, he would explained why senators must not be trusted.
Also, although it was against the rules, he wouldn't become upset with Anakin marrying, he may even encourage him to train his future children.
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I think he would have given Anakin the respect he deseeves and therefore he wouldnt have turned. He wouldnt want to. He would have had the same skills, but they would have been appreciated more and he would have learned how to be modest and all that. OB1 doesnt even want to entertain the thought of his padawan being better than him, while Qui Gon admitted that OB1 was a much wiser man, which i feel is debatable but thats another story. I think Qui Gon would have challenged Palps much sooner before he got so much power and it all would have ended with Anakin killing his old wrinkled ass. I mean Anakin wants to kill Palps in Ep 3, which he prolly could, so thats how i think it would have played out.
And thanks Morridini for a thread worth discussing.
Anakin wants to kill him because he's crazy and he's all on the darkside. Had Qui-Gonn been his tutor he would have destroyed Palapatine in the name of the force, not power.
And yes, this is a good thread.
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I have thought about this many time. Mainly because Qui-Gonn is my favorite Jedi besides Mace Windu.
I dont think Anakin Skywalker would have turned to the dark side. It does seem sometimes that Skywalker fate to the dark side would be unavoidable but we are missing one aspect of it all. Qui-Gonn believed in Anakin from the start and was the only one who believed in him from the start besides Paps. No one cant tell me that Anakin never remembered sitting in front of all the Jedi's and being told no. No one cant tell me that didnt have a affect on him.
Another point is that Obi-Wan was to young to have a apprt. Qui-Gonn was older and way more inciteful about the force then Obi-Wan was. Qui-Gonn also had a lot more patience then Obi-Wan did also.
otherwise he would've disappeared when died in OW's arms. There's many clues in Ep 1.. it has to be true!
Not disappearing, being burned (remind you of any other dark side dabblers... like DV, the only other "Jedi" who was burned) Qui-Gon played his part perfectly, as he died in OW's arms and convinced OW to promise to take on Annakin in the Jedi program. The council rejected "Annie" and QG with the help of the Siths worked their magic to get him in.
more.. QG kneels before Maul, not meditates, as Lucas brilliantly made U think. Shortly before this, QG & Princess kneel before leader of the Gungans for their help. That scene is magic, listen to it... we kneel as your servant???
QG served Maul and Sidious. Could be that Maul truly became Drth Maul after killed QG. There can only be 2, Sidious doesn't have to tell truth when he introduces. When was last time a criminal told entire truth?
more.. earlier in Ep 1, Sidious tells Maul to not make any moves until he has absolute confirmation and has been communicated to that The information they need is true so that their revenge on the Jedi can be had. Who's their source for this confirmation??? Qui-Gon and the kneeling is his confirmation of his servancy.
obviously thanks to Dooku's passionate plea to Obi in Ep 2, people are coming around. We'll all know soon enough though. Less than a month!!!
I seriously doubt Qui-Gonn was on the darkside of the force. I agree there isnt a lot known about Qui-Gonn but to think he was a on the darkisde is kinda hard to accept. Remember the one Sith rule, there can be only two.
I think the serious difference between him and the rest of the Jedi Order was his knowledge about the force and his unwillingness to conform to the rules of the Jedi counsel. It was Obi-Wan in EP. I that said "if you just followed the code then you would be on the counsel." Also, note the fact that Obi-Wan was his student for a very long time. No one can tell me that if Qui-Gonn was a Sith then Obi-Wan wouldnt know about it or that if Qui-Gonn was a Sith and Obi-Wan did know about it he wouldnt tell the counsel.
In all due respect to your opinion, I think the idea he was a Sith is a little out there on the lines of him being Master Sifodyas.
If Qui-Gonn wasn't ran through with a sith blade, he would have trained anakin, Obi-Wan would of course eventually become a knight, but Anakin would still turn out the same. Still have dreams of his mother, Padme, and others he cared about dying, hot-headed, etc...
To misquote from the latest novel, Labyrinth of Evil, Obi-Wan compares Anakin to Qui-Gonn, as far as entrances go. Obi-Wan would be tactful, while Qui-Gonn, as shown in TPM, would brazenly walk in. Anakin has that impulsiveness that Qui-Gonn has (just an assumption on my part, though...)
I'll repost an old post of mine for this, as I think it's extremely applicable. Had Qui-Gon trained Anakin, I fully believe that Anakin would have fulfilled his destiny as the Chosen One without ever falling to the dark side:
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Interesting theory, but I don't think he was a Sith. Rather, I think he may have been much as Dooku said he was. Had he lived, I could definitely see him joining the separatists. And this is what I don't like about Lucas' concept of the force, really.
From all appearances, Lucas got his idea of the Force from Taoism. The way he's represented it, the Yin is "light" and the Yang is "dark". That's not how it should have happened. Striving for enlightenment, harmony, and peace should have been light, and striving to manipulate and conquer should have been dark. That said, to be enlightened, and live in harmony and peace, it is not required that someone abide by the rules that the Jedi order set down. It is possible- someone like, say, Walt Whitman would say *only* possible- to attain the balance and harmony through understanding and living within your own emotions.
Thats where I think Qui Gon was, in spite of the Jedi Order telling him it was wrong, and it's the state of mind that I think Anakin tried to find. The reason that he fell to the Dark Side was because he felt such intense emotion, yet he was taught on one hand (Palpatine) to embrace it and use it as a force to strike down the Order, and on the other hand (the Council) he was taught to ignore it entirely. Anakin wanted to be good, and would have been good, if not for the gross negligence of the Jedi Order. My theory, therefore, is that had Qui-Gon lived to tutor Anakin, he would never have fallen to the Dark Side. Qui-Gon would have taught Anakin the truths that the Order, for some reason, denied- that fear and love can be embraced for the ultimate good. Anakin's fall is as much at the hands of the Order as it is at the hands of Palpatine. The only difference is that one does it unwittingly.
And this, in my opinion, is why Darth Maul seems so intent on killing Qui-Gon specifically in Episode I. I bet Sidious knows that if he can eliminate the only 'romantic' (in the philosophical sense) in the Jedi Order, Anakin will have nobody left to turn to with his emotions but him. Qui Gon is, basically, Anakin had Anakin found a way to reconcile his emotions with the Order's teachings.
I applaud your post man. Great thinking! I seriously dont think Qui-Gonn was a Sith. The one point that makes me think that is basically because of the third book. In ROTS, it was Qui-Gonn who taught the secret of coming back as a Jedi to YODA and not to Paps. Qui-Gonn had an understanding of the force that no other Jedi had at that time. That is what made him different. That is why the counsel didnt make him one of its members.
Like I said earlier, Qui-Gonn believed in Anakin. Not Obi-Wan or the counsel. The counsel just wanted to use Anakin and they didnt ever want Anakin to be trained.
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Well then Mr. Spelling Nazi, if you would like to get technical, it is spelled "it's", not "its". You also forgot to put the comma in between "Qui-Gon" and "not".
And no, Qui-Gon was never affiliated with the Sith.
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