What do you make of Luke's feat against Palpatine?

Started by Azronger5 pages

What do you make of Luke's feat against Palpatine?

In the Dark Empire audio drama, when Luke is dueling Sidious, Leia notes the following:

"The Force so strong... They're both moving so fast I can hardly see them... I-I feel waves of power... the dark side and the light... But... I feel... the light is winning!"

Was Luke overpowering Sidious in the Force? It couldn't have been in reference to lightsaber combat because Leia specifically noted she can't see them move, and the clashing of lightsabers doesn't produce ripples in the Force.

What are your thoughts?

You can sense who's getting stronger or weaker (or more desperate) in the Force.

Besides, Luke was being amped here.

Leia didn't make note of any emotions.

And no, Luke wasn't amped. The nexus of the Eclipse would've counter-balanced Leia's BM.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You can sense who's getting stronger or weaker (or more desperate) in the Force.

Besides, Luke was being amped here.


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It's an audio drama, you can only get so much information out of it/they only have so much time to talk. The fact is that you can sense people winning and losing fights through the Force. This isn't anything new.

Based on what? Leia's BM was capable of hurting even Palpatine. And it appears that BM transcends nexuses in the SW mythos - Satele's BM took precedence over Yavin IV's nexus, Worror's BM took precedence over the nexus of Belia Darzu's fortress, Bastila Shan's BM took precedence over the Star Forge's nexus, etc.

I've yet to see an instance of the reverse or equalization.

Well, based on the information we have, Luke and Sidious were radiating Force energy, not emotions. And they had plenty of time to put another line in there, so that's not a valid excuse. If they wanted Leia to sense their emotions, they would've put it in. Based on her noting their strength in the Force, I think it's referring to power. I'm going with what is in the audio drama, not what isn't there.

The examples you listed - is it actually specifically noted they took precedence over the nexi? If not, then we've no reason to assume they did. If yes, then it's simply because they were more potent than the specific nexus in question. Something I doubt Leia's accidental and elementary BM was compared to the greatest nexus she had ever felt (note: she has been on Byss, which is more potent than Sidious himself as of RotJ).

You don't need to sense emotions to tell who's getting stronger.

Yes, it is noted that they took precedence. Every single time.

Palpatine takes pity on Luke and goes easy as always. He's a nice man old Sheev

Originally posted by Azronger
Leia didn't make note of any emotions.

And no, Luke wasn't amped. The nexus of the Eclipse would've counter-balanced Leia's BM.

No it wouldn't :/

Originally posted by Azronger
The nexus of the Eclipse

Has this been confirmed?

Mind posting a quote or something, if you can?

Originally posted by SunRazer
You don't need to sense emotions to tell who's getting stronger.

Your point?

Yes, it is noted that they took precedence. Every single time.

My point still stands. Mind posting the quotes, though?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Palpatine takes pity on Luke and goes easy as always. He's a nice man old Sheev

Based on the fact that your only response was a (bad) joke, I take it you couldn't muster a sufficient rebuttal. Care to prove me wrong?

Luke wasn't amped. It's only after the duel that Leia amps him.

From the audio drama, "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

Originally posted by Trocity
Has this been confirmed?

Mind posting a quote or something, if you can?

Originally posted by ares834
Luke wasn't amped. It's only after the duel that Leia amps him.

From the audio drama, "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

So DE Luke > Sidious?

In a saber duel? Yes.

Originally posted by ares834
In a saber duel? Yes.

Even tho he utterly stomped Luke?

Not in the second duel. The previous one was on Byss which Palaptine described as "the very heart of the dark side."

People are really fond of taking things out of context. Byss is a ****ing gargantuan nexus.

Originally posted by ares834
Not in the second duel. The previous one was on Byss which Palaptine described as "the very heart of the dark side."

And apparently according to Leia, the Eclipse was even worse, even though that contradicts the end notes.