Could the ultimate weapon of destruction truly take down the Spirit of Vengeance??? This is gonna be interestin'...!!!!!!!
This is Doomsday from the "Death of Superman" storyline in case you were wonderin'....and the fight takes place in downtown NYC at night...who wins and more importantly, HOW?
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To be honest, and I'm looking for the Doomsday fanboys, but GR would take this one. He has two things working for him that will screw Doomsday over.
1. Ghost Rider literally cannot die. Whoever had Blade killing him was crap.
2. The penance stare. Doomsday can process thought, and has always had a hatred of all life. The penance stare will work on him.
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not too sure about the eternal part . . .
anyway, it's an interesting battle. another interesting question -- does dd have a soul? he was created rather than born. he's sort of an evolving machine. if he has no soul the stare won't work at all. there was someone else who was immune to the stare. something about feeling no remorse for any deed. if that's the case (can't recall the actual details) dd would certainly fall into this category as well.
i think it's a large question whether the stare would work on him for both these reasons. if the stare doesn't work, gr is finished. he might not be able to kill gr permenantly, but he certainly would ko him and gr would be little to no threat physically though the hellfire might cause dd some grief.
The Hellfire is sick, and causes an immense amount of pain to anything that it hits. It's considered magical, which makes it able to hurt Superman as well. There's a reason I think that GR should be considered the most feared foe in Marvel Comics, not counting the Celestials. There's a reason they don't have him fight guys like Thanos though. Also, the thing is that Doomsday wouldn't be able to kill him.
DD.
GR would have actually stood a much better chance against the more recent "thinking" Doomsday with the stare. Death of Superman DD was pretty much mindless so I doubt the stare would work. As far as I know, DD is a notch above Supes in durability since he has no actual weakness to anything. Supes has taken Hellfire pretty well, so I doubt GR is doing anything.
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Supes shouldn't be able to take GR's hellfire though. It's a mystic/magical ability. It would hurt him beyond all means. I also read in DD's bio that he just didn't speak the first time around. All he felt was hate. Also, DD wouldn't be able to really hurt him. Just hit him. GR could always whip him around with that chain of his.
Supes has been immersed in the flames of hell (actual hell) and survived it, plus took a shot from Etrigan who's quite powerful himself so he's quite capable of surviving such an assault. In the actual book, DD is shown to be a mindless creature. Current DD is JUST learning emotions, emotions made him curious. The penance stare would likely not work on him in DOS level. As for Ghost Rider "throwing" him around with his chain....he's nowhere near strong enough to contend with DD on a physical level. Even though GR is immortal, there is only so much punishment he could take at a time.
DD takes this.
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I agree with everything except the punishment he can take. Actually, he's a true immoral provided he stays as the GR. You've made good points, Avalon. I think that, to be honest, this battle would go on for eternity with no victor unless Zarathos himself would emerge.
Ghost Rider can be physically harmed by the superstrong Doomsday, but there's nothing the Spirit of Vengeance can do to physically hurt Doomsday. If we say Doomsday is just some kind of animal, the penance stare wouldn't work on him.
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gr's been knocked out many times. if he really wants, dd just extends his knuckle bones and shoves them in gr's eyes. wolverine ko'd him that way. and while wolvie wasn't durable enough to NOT get ko'd along with him, dd sure as hell is . . .
hellfire would cause him some pain, but that's nothing to dd. penance stare probably wouldn't work for reasons above. gr is not even close (not even remotely close) to as strong as dd.
gr is uber cool, but he's in over his head here i'm afraid. the reason he doesn't fight the cosmic level menaces you're talking about is because zarathos himself is not a high level cosmic. mephisto has kicked his arse (and we all kow how mephisto does against thanos . . .). hell, even blade has taken down zarathos. if zarathos is below these cosmic-type guys, what chance does gr have of winning against them?
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How about Doomsday simply incapacitating GR? Just spreading the pieces of GR's trunk all over the town... There's no need to kill when incapacitating is an option.
And Doomsday might evolve to be immune against Penance Stare when it's used against him or during the usage.
Superman isint weak against magic...he just has no defense against it. i think the stare would work on him.....plus GR could prolly call upon the forces of Hell to assist him in defeating DD. who could stand up to that? Superman? lol.
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All Doomsday can do is hit and punch him, or kick him, and tear him in two...but none of that is going to stop Ghost Rider...hell, he's been blown to pieces before and reassembled himself...and especially if DD's going up against the Ghost Rider most recently seen in Garth Ennis' mini-series, he's really going to have problems. Ghost Rider went toe to toe with an archangel and a very powerful high-level demon from Hell...
I personally believe the penace-stare will work on Doomsday...and here's why. Remember at the beginning of the DOS storyline when Doomsday crushed the bird in his hand and then laughed about it...well, that tells me that Doomsday is capable of feeling and understanding his actions and that he's not a totally mindless creature capable of feeling only hatred. He obviously understood what he did to the bird and liked it!! He caused the death of that bird and reliced in the feeling of death...therefore, I believe the penace-stare would work on Doomsday. He would indeed be able to feel the pain of all of his victims multiplied a thousand fold...
The penace-stare along with pure hell fire would be something Doomsday couldn't handle...
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You can't evolve beyond Hell. Ghost Rider is powered by a demon. Also, if he's hit with the Stare, he doesn't die. He lives, but in an eternal hell of his own until the day he dies of old age. If he's immortal, there will be no release. Also, after the Penance Stare, he could chain DD to his bike, and throw him into the gates of Hell.
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