IMO current Superman could beat him by himself. So with the other two there, they kill him to death, either with energy attacks or just plain brute force.
I agree 100% with this. Superman has grown in power and experience and should be able to take Doomsday out. You can't base there fight off of previous showings against a weaker Superman.
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really? i find that interesting. how come? and does it follow that you think he could likewise beat darkseid down, ala h/p dd?
i ask because i've heard this argument before. people say supes is more powerful now, so he could beat that dd. but, has seid increased as much in power as superman has? truthfully, i don't know but think you're one of the more rational--and unbiased--dc fans so i'd trust your thoughts over some others.
honestly, superman is just more powerful than he was 15 years ago, and what feats HP DD performed, just don't strike me as something he couldn't overcome. You have to remember that all this happened before Superman got some serious training with his powers too, learning to multitask better and the like. He's not just more powerful, he's a lot more competent too.
Current DD has the potential to be the most powerful yet, though.
as far as Darkseid goes...
On a physical level, i'd put Superman on par with or above DS. Though I'd put Superman physically on par with or above most people anyway. DS still has the Omega, which should give him the edge in any long term battle, imo.
The combination of Surfer and Supes alone is pretty uber if they've practiced fighting together. Even while fighting other folks, Surfer could easily pump enough yellow sun energy into Supes to make him all but unstoppable.
Sorry to point you out like this Pr and I know we've discussed this in the past but I don't agree with Darkseid having any type of edge against Supes. Also wasn't it outright stated that Darkseid Omegas doesn't work on Supes due to his importance to the Universe?
I would give Darkseid about a 3/10 against Supes and that's being generous.
i don't know about that scan, where it was stated (unless people are talking about the S/B issue). and besides, even with it, Darkseid still has normal energy blasts and teleportation and the like.
Giving him 3/10 against Superman is honestly not just a little insulting, but very insulting.
Yeah, it was stated a while back and from what I am seeing, it still hold precident. What type of energy attacks has Darkseid used that took Superman down? His casual blast isn't dropping him.
From looking at all the years of their skuffles, a none holding back Supes is above Darkseid. If he fought a calm Supes that isn't pissed, then that's when he stands a chance and even then its debatable.
The reason I mentioned the S/B one was because it wasn't proof. Darkseid has used the Omega on Superman before, and it's worked, he's just never (iirc) tried to erase him from existence.
From all the years of their scuffles, Darkseid has had superiority. Superman gets his licks in, and bar Orion is probably the one person who could take DS down in a fight, but Darkseid is still more powerful.
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like i said, the reason i brought ds up is because i don't see him being any more competent or powerful than HE was. and he was obliterated by dd. using the way dd performed against ds, i'd still put dd above current supes because i don't see current supes being able to do what dd did to ds. i think that ds beat down was a pretty definitive statement regarding dd's power.
in any event, this current dd DOES seem to be awesome. i hope they finally get it right with him.......
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If you get teleported by the OE, it means you got erased by it at some point. That's how it works.
Given DD's ability to adapt, they'll have a hard time stopping him.
I can concede a physical battle to Superman. Unless Darkseid amps up, he might not take the majority in a fistfight. But then, very very few people can take Superman in a fistfight. But when you put the rest of the cards on the table; reality warping, time control, the omega beams, the omega effect, the omega sanction, tp, tk, etc, at that point Superman is outgunned.
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I'm of the same opinion that Supes today would beat H/P DD as he was portrayed then. As far DS goes, he was also pretty weak under Jurgens, as was Apokolips as a whole in fact.
Starlin and Morrison (off the top of my head) as among his most recent writers portrayed him with far more power than Jurgens.
Their versions of DS would quickly put down H/P DD.
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tbh I honestly never thought much of the Darkseid in HP. I thought he wasn't really that portrayed, and DD taking him down like that was more for shock value than anything else.
Thanos would be tough to get past. Even with the power those 3 command. It would be tough but i give slight majority to team. They wont beat Odin imo though.
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