Originally posted by IKC
Vodo vs. Yoda in ten seconds:Vodo: Most revered Jedi master in a martial time period, greater use of the force shown during said time period. Taller than Yoda, has a reach advantage, and may have an exoskeleton which would give him a tremendous strength advantage. Lost to Exar Kun, but managed to manifest himself four thousand years later to help banish Kun's half-mad, weakened spirit.
Yoda: Most revered Jedi master in a peaceful time period, Niman widely practiced. Stalemated ROTS Sidious, lost due to terrain.
To exaggerate, Vodo was the top dog of a group of badasses, and Yoda was top of a group of incompetants.
To exaggerate you still have no idea on who is more powerful, how Vodo would have done against Sidious or how Yoda would have done against Exar.Vodo died when Exar started becoming serious, so how would he compare to Sidious? And Yoda may have been the best in an era of people who did not fight a lot, but some of his time were still good Dooku, Mace, Sidious. Greater use of force powers for Vodo? What did he do except for making his stick able to resist a lightsaber? Yoda shot back Force Lightning at the one that shot it and defied a Sith Lord in every way through the force...
I don't see how you can be so certain about Vodo, with so little evidence supporting him.
Quoting ourselves now? Lets drop the debate in the other thread and just continue fresh here.
I'm waiting.. I would love to hear evidence to support VODO, but like Fishy said if anything we know more about Yoda and his abilities. I haven't read the Sith Wars yet(which should be in any day now) so I can't discuss Vodo. It's common knowledge though that Yoda was umatched in the Force during his life(including Sidious).
Replying here, to stop us from cluttering up two threads with the same discussion.
Originally posted by IKC
You're the one that brought up how Vodo was beaten easily when Exar, a far greater Sith than ROTS Sidious, stopped toying with him. I submitted that Yoda would have been tooled as well.What point were you trying to make in bringing that up?
That the fight means shit. Seeing as Exar wasn't trying.
Actually, we can judge his skills very well. He confronted Exar, the Dark Lord of the Sith, armed with a stick. He must have had great confidence in his combat skills, which the narrator describes in his first fight with Exar as a padawan as honed through "long experience."He was the most respected Jedi of a martial time period, a time period when Jedi commonly wore battle armor and comprised a good deal of Republic military forces. A time period where Jedi display greater use of the Force than what is displayed in the PT.
bunch of feat wars nothing more. Nothing that can put him up against Yoda seeing as we don't know jack shit.
The PT cannot compare.
Agreed the PT in general can not compare to the people of earlier era's.
So if he knew all those things then he's an idiot and didn't use them, hm? So he'd prefer to go into exile and let the galaxy suffer under twenty some-odd years of oppression rather than use some of these OJO Force powers that would've knocked Sidious flat on his ass?Good job, Yoda.
Yes because all of those techniques would have allowed him to kill Sidious, Jedi aren't allowed to use the force to kill we all know Yoda had the power to do it but didn't. We all know that Yoda couldn't have possibly stopped an army if he would have wanted too so he couldn't have stopped Sidious later on.
Bullshit. Yes, Sidious knew battle meditation. Sidious also knew that he was a Sith. Did the Jedi know that too? What a stupid theory you've come up with - that the Sith and Jedi know all the same things.
IKC WTF? Where did I ever claim the Jedi and Sith knew the same thing? I claimed that the Sith would most likely know Battle meditation from battle. There last battle was against the Jedi. Battle Meditation is a very effective weapon, it would be really strange if the Jedi would not know of it or heard of it. Very strange and very unlikely.
And their last war was 1000 years ago, even before Yoda was born. After the war, the Jedi believed the Sith to be extinct. So where's the proof, Fishy?
Believing the Sith to be extinct suddenly equals loss of knowledge from a war now? Where's the proof for that?
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Have you read my posts? I recommend you go over them again.
Yeah and except for feat wars and an obvious TOTJ bias I see nothing that shows Vodo > Yoda. And definitly not as definite as you put it.
That the fight means shit. Seeing as Exar wasn't trying.
Uh, but then he did try, and slaughtered Vodo. Unless you're going to argue that Yoda would have fared better or that Sidious was toying with Yoda, you've got no point. I could easily say that the Yoda/Sidious fight "means shit," without substantiating, as well.
bunch of feat wars nothing more. Nothing that can put him up against Yoda seeing as we don't know jack shit.
It would be feat wars if I merely said "zOMG STAFF > LIGHTSABERLOLOLOL."
You should get to bed or something, you're not looking at this clearly. Read that part of the post again:
Actually, we can judge his skills very well. He confronted Exar, the Dark Lord of the Sith, armed with a stick. He must have had great confidence in his combat skills, which the narrator describes in his first fight with Exar as a padawan as honed through "long experience."He was the most respected Jedi of a martial time period, a time period when Jedi commonly wore battle armor and comprised a good deal of Republic military forces. A time period where Jedi display greater use of the Force than what is displayed in the PT.
Agreed the PT in general can not compare to the people of earlier era's.
So... what's making Yoda greater than Vodo? This is a strike against him, you realize.
Yes because all of those techniques would have allowed him to kill Sidious, Jedi aren't allowed to use the force to kill we all know Yoda had the power to do it but didn't.
I said they would have put Sidious on his ass. Want an example? Blocking him from the Force.
We all know that Yoda couldn't have possibly stopped an army if he would have wanted too so he couldn't have stopped Sidious later on.
What the hell are you talking about, here?
IKC WTF? Where did I ever claim the Jedi and Sith knew the same thing?
Right here:
Battle Meditation was still known to Sidious and others apparantly, if the Sith knew it, it stands to reason the Jedi knew it as well.
It's completely unfounded and borderline ludicrous.
I claimed that the Sith would most likely know Battle meditation from battle. There last battle was against the Jedi. Battle Meditation is a very effective weapon, it would be really strange if the Jedi would not know of it or heard of it. Very strange and very unlikely.
Sure, the Sith know it (and they do, because Palpatine uses it). Where does this guarantee that the Jedi know it as well? Indeed, it's very unlikely that battle meditation is known or practiced in the PT since there's been no war for a thousand years, much less war against Dark Siders.
So prove up. This is a side point anyway, the main point is that the OJO had very valuable knowledge that was lost by the time of the PT, thereby giving Vodo an advantage over Yoda.
Believing the Sith to be extinct suddenly equals loss of knowledge from a war now? Where's the proof for that?
Why would you be studying and training to fight an enemy you believe to be wiped from existence? Prove that they were.
Yeah and except for feat wars and an obvious TOTJ bias I see nothing that shows Vodo > Yoda. And definitly not as definite as you put it.
*rolls eyes* Feat wars? Going to show me where I engaged in that? An obvious TOTJ bias? You agreed that PT < OJO.
Vodo seems to have all the advantages here. You've given me nothing to say Yoda is greater, as well.
Any assumptions that Yoda has greater powers or skills than the ones shown for Vodo bears the burden of proof, of course. The very fact that Vodo could sustain his force spirit, be the de facto ruler of the jedi order, and rip the force from people (While having a staff made stronger than a lightsaber) speaks well for his power.