Vader has more experience and a better ship, along with being better with the force (he used the force to tell a gunner when to fire to destroy an escaping vessel).
He wins.
And yes, Kamikz, it says in RODV that his piloting skills didn't suffer at all (You already knew that, I was just confirming it, more for other people who read this).
I say Anakin, for one thing he has better reflexes, and I highly doubt that Vader Tie Advanced is a better ship, the Delta seems a lot more maneuverable, stealthy, sleek, ect. Plus, how often did Vader fly during the OT and between ROTS and ANH? Wasn't the last time ESB Vader flew during ANH, and after that it was in SoTE, right? Anakin flies in space battles during the Clone Wars all the time, he'd be more "in shape". So he wins.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Explain how he has better reflexes if his piloting abilities didn't decrease. Also, if something is said not to decrease, than he is, at the very least, as good as he was before, potentially better. Vader takes this.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I say Anakin, for one thing he has better reflexes, and I highly doubt that Vader Tie Advanced is a better ship, the Delta seems a lot more maneuverable, stealthy, sleek, ect. Plus, how often did Vader fly during the OT and between ROTS and ANH? Wasn't the last time ESB Vader flew during ANH, and after that it was in SoTE, right? Anakin flies in space battles during the Clone Wars all the time, he'd be more "in shape". So he wins.
Anakin would not have better reflexes, i don't think Vader just sat around for 20 years after ROTS, and there is no question the tie is better, and Vader is older and smarter than Anakin.
Originally posted by kiddo44
there is no question the tie is better, and Vader is older and smarter than Anakin.
Despite the fact the Saesee Tiin's personal starfighter is described as 'one of the fastest Atmospheric crafts in the Jedi fleet' in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, yet the Delta-7's speed transcends that by 4,000 k/ph.
Now, the TIE fighter isn't even nearly as quick as even Tiin's Cutlass-9. Plus, its [the Delta-7] acceleration of gravity surpasses a TIE fighter's by roughly a thousand.
Moreover, the Azure Angel is equipped with four laser cannons, compared to the TIE's two, and has a proton torpedo launcher.
Anakin would not have better reflexes, i don't think Vader just sat around for 20 years after ROTS, and there is no question the tie is better, and Vader is older and smarter than Anakin.
Vader takes this. The only thig Anakin could do between RotS and ESB was improve, and that's what he did.
Not to mention it possesses a greater maneuverability.Does it?
The Tie Advanced i would think have more shields, and also has a cluster missle launcher or something like that, which would be hard to dodge, maybe the Delta is faster, but still think Vader takes this,b/c he would be a much better pilot 25 years later.
I don't know, i think its pretty even, Anakin has probably better precognition, reflexes... but Vader knows his former self, his old weaknesses and flaws, has more control over himself, he thinks better and formulates plans, while Anakin just improvises, but i would say it depends on who has a better fighter.
So, who does have a better fighter, Advent said its Anakins, but Vader had time to perfect his(better technology), i don't think he uses ordinary TIE fighter and he flown in Delta fighter, wouldn't he use and modify his fighter to use all the good from Delta and add some new. I could be wrong and therefore am still undecided.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Somehow I think it's rather stupid to put different versions of the same character against each other in a versus thread. Reasons ?a) The later version would know the younger version inside out while this can't be said vice versa. That always gives the older (meaning advanced in age) version of the character a nice advantage.
b) Talking about force users: They only get stronger over time. At least in terms of force powers. They might lose some dexterity and physical strength but in most cases this can easily be ignored due to their ability to aid themselves using the force.
Now really. If the first movies would have been filmed with the technical (and financial) abilities that Lucas has at hand today, nobody would even argue that. ANH Ben and Vader would move around like Dooku (at least) if not going completely CGI and turning the fight into another Yoda VS Sidious. I really don't see why Ben should have lost his fighting skills or speed suddenly, when much older force users (e.g. Dooku or Yoda) didn't.
This being said, ANH Ben would kick the ass of any former version of himself, be it TPM, AotC or RotS Obi-Wan. That battles will be long (Soresu VS Soresu) but old Ben does really have all advantages on his side.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Advent said its Anakins, but Vader had time to perfect his(better technology)
Better technology? Yes, to a certain extent. A TIE fighter's statistics are far worse than that of even a regular Delta-7. Now, considering the fighter was only said to have a slight increase in speed (as listed in tNEGtV), how would it be any better?
And where does it say that Darth Vader made any sort of adjustments to the craft? It's possible, but that still does not change the fact that it's impossible to upgrade its base stats over 10,000 k/ph. That's ludicrous.
i don't think he uses ordinary TIE fighter and he flown in Delta fighter
In A New Hope, he uses a TIE Advanced, which still is severely lacking in terms of speed, and acceleration of gravity in comparison to the Azure Angel. It's weapons consist of two lasers cannons, again the Delta-7 has four. It has a cluster missle launcher, which is a missle that doesn't track its target, as far as I know [for the TIE Advanced], whereas Anakin would be piloting something with a proton torpedo launcher.
So, as you can see, it doesn't matter, because the starcraft he uses isn't as good.
wouldn't he use and modify his fighter to use all the good from Delta and add some new.
You do realize that the TIE line of starfighters are a completely separate class than that of the Delta series, correct? That's like ordering PS3 parts for an Xbox 360.
Really, an official source dictates that the TIE line (even the model Vader uses) has absolutely nothing on the Delta type crafts.
I could be wrong
No, you are wrong.