1) H2H at the Gotham Cathedral where the final fight took place. Both are in full costume and have their conventional weapons (shurikens, batarangs, etc).
2) The Batwing vs. Archie (The Owl Ship) in a mid-air dog fight.
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Batman blocks bullets and can punch threw the Batmobile(if feats from "Returns" are allowed). Even discounting "Returns"(or the other films in the Batman Anthology, as they are the same character). Batman is still faster(in terms of reaction time) and at least as strong, durable, and skilled as Nite-Owl.
If Batman were to be forced into a corner, kill or be killed, I'm sure he'd kill.
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Keaton Batman, didn't seem to have any issue with killing people. He shot at them with machine guns, lit them on fire, fragged'em with bombs etc. He is more then willing to kill.
I'm gonna go with Nite Owl, Mattie summed it up quite nicely.
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H2H: Nite Owl 10/10. That's spite and anyone who sees otherwise......
Dogfight: Nite Owl 8/10. Much more advanced aircraft. We didn't see missiles but it has miniguns. Dan could run into the jet on purpose and kill Bruce. The thing went down to one bullet and when it crash landed it seemed messed up. Archie crashed in Antartica and was still capable of flight. Quite frankly, I don't believe it sustained much damage. It's also bulletproof from small-calibers, whereas Bruce's jet isn't it seems. Not to mention his targeting system isn't the greatest. Whereas Dan displayed pinpoint accuracy.
Nite Owl, and all of the Watchmen for that matter, are on a completely different level than Keaton's Batman.
You're joking right? Batman can block bullets and punch threw metal. Walks off plane wrecks and multi-story falls.
The only Watchman(Manhatten aside of course) that may be able to hang with him. In a fight would be Veidt and frankly not even Ozy's feats realy measure up. It took every thing Adrian had to block/catch a bullet and even then 1) it still knocked on his keister and 2) we can't even be sure he did actually catch it. Batman's bullet block was with out signicicant effort.
Did you people fail to watch the part where Dan and Laurie were bending thugs shin bones inward with a mere kick. The guy's kick literally sent a guy flying into a wall. He's much more faster, skilled, and agile than Keaton's Batman.
Batman had his ass handed to him by one of Joker's thugs in the church.
Any of the Watchmen would have literally killed him in combat.
I think Nite Owl is more skilled in H2H combat. regardless of, batmans, mystical ninja training. Nite Owl simply kicked more ass in the H2H department or at least looked better doing it lol. Batman, imo has proved to be far more resourceful and his gadgets are just more practical and deadly. With everything considered, i think Nite Owl goes down rather quickly. However, if this were a simple street fight between the two with no gadgets or suits i'd give it to Nite Owl, hands down.
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keatons batman was vastly superior to nolans though... so im not sure how thats relevant.
as already pointed out dude was deflecting bullets with his hands... there really is nothing that can counter that, regardless of who gave him a hard time and who didnt.
and yes, wolverine would solo keaton, baleman, and the watchmen. but thats for another time.
Nite Owl wins, for the reasons presented forth by Darth Martin. Faster, Stronger, and more skilled.
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Not sure why everyone thinks with the exception of two feats that Keaton Batman>Bale's.
The deflecting of a bullet feat could have been a skill learned, I highly doubt he's that fast. Analogy: Preston dodges bullets because of his gun-katas, not b/c he's superhumanly fast. Same could be applied here.
Wolverine is a plot device, do not confuse him with actual fleshed out characters.
Based on feats, yes. Batman has a good chance at taking out Veidt. He has better reaction feats, better strength feats, and better durability feats.
Perhaps you missed it the first time, but Batman blocking a bullet puts his reaction speed. Far above anything we have seen from Nite Owl. Skill wise, they were both able to eliminate large crowds of opponents with relative ease. While the actor(s) in the Bat Suit had trouble moving their is no indication that Batman himself did. Batman can dodge massed gunfire and block bullets, Dan's raygun isn't going to do much. Even at a distance. Batman will just make him eat batarang or grappling hook.
I suppose, you have feats to back up this assertion?
Assuming you mean the Cathedral fight. Said thug was not alone or did you miss all the rest of Jokers goons that Batman disposed of before squaring off with the big guy. Did you also miss that the fight took place after Batman was involved in a plane wreck. So even not a 100% he went threw half a dozen guys. Nite Owl, has nothing in terms of feats to compare to that.
Batman hit a guy with enough force to send fim flying over a car. In "Returns" he punched threw the floor plating of the Batmobile, while from an akward seated position vs Dan breaking bones from a proper hitting/fighting position. So once again Batman trumps Nite Owl. Feat wise.
Keaton Batman is better. He is faster, stronger, general does better in direct combat, can pull the stealth card just as well when it suits him, and is at least as durable.
Preston doesn't dodge bullets. He puts himself in places where bullets are statistacly speaking not going to be. Others in movies/comics dodge the aim of the shooter. Neither of these are what Batman did. He deflected a bullet, by moving his arm after it was(the bullet) fired. Big difference and yes it makes him, at least in real world terms superhumanly fast. And it trumps the hell out of any feat Nite Owl or any of the Watchman(exluding Manhatten) have.
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