The "Chosen One" is referenced as "the one who will bring balance to the Force" in its direct interpretation in the movies (Obi-Wan once took liberty with his interpretation of how it originally was). This would mean to me that good equals bad (things aren't equal if the Sith are destroyed - then things are overbalanced in favor of the Jedi). So, Vader brought about the death of all of the Jedi except two: Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi. What do you know, there happen to be two Sith as well. Force balanced. Prophecy fulfilled. Then, Luke Skywalker begins training as a Jedi. The Force is unbalanced. There are soon to be three Jedi, while there are still only two Sith. So, Vader kills Obi-Wan Kenobi, thus making room for Luke to become a Jedi. Then, when Yoda dies, the balance is for once in favor of the Sith (Vader and the Emperor) while there is only one Jedi (Luke Skywalker). One of the Sith has got to go: so Vader kills Sidious, once again balancing the Force and almost simultaneously destroying the Sith. He balanced the Force, in a conventional interpretation, several times.
Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
The "Chosen One" is referenced as "the one who will bring balance to the Force" in its direct interpretation in the movies (Obi-Wan once took liberty with his interpretation of how it originally was). This would mean to me that good equals bad (things aren't equal if the Sith are destroyed - then things are overbalanced in favor of the Jedi). So, Vader brought about the death of all of the Jedi except two: Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi. What do you know, there happen to be two Sith as well. Force balanced. Prophecy fulfilled. Then, Luke Skywalker begins training as a Jedi. The Force is unbalanced. There are soon to be three Jedi, while there are still only two Sith. So, Vader kills Obi-Wan Kenobi, thus making room for Luke to become a Jedi. Then, when Yoda dies, the balance is for once in favor of the Sith (Vader and the Emperor) while there is only one Jedi (Luke Skywalker). One of the Sith has got to go: so Vader kills Sidious, once again balancing the Force and almost simultaneously destroying the Sith. He balanced the Force, in a conventional interpretation, several times.
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Originally posted by Darth L. Dipsit
The "Chosen One" is referenced as "the one who will bring balance to the Force" in its direct interpretation in the movies (Obi-Wan once took liberty with his interpretation of how it originally was). This would mean to me that good equals bad (things aren't equal if the Sith are destroyed - then things are overbalanced in favor of the Jedi). So, Vader brought about the death of all of the Jedi except two: Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi. What do you know, there happen to be two Sith as well. Force balanced. Prophecy fulfilled. Then, Luke Skywalker begins training as a Jedi. The Force is unbalanced. There are soon to be three Jedi, while there are still only two Sith. So, Vader kills Obi-Wan Kenobi, thus making room for Luke to become a Jedi. Then, when Yoda dies, the balance is for once in favor of the Sith (Vader and the Emperor) while there is only one Jedi (Luke Skywalker). One of the Sith has got to go: so Vader kills Sidious, once again balancing the Force and almost simultaneously destroying the Sith. He balanced the Force, in a conventional interpretation, several times.
Nicely written and well thought out, but ultimately wrong. Sorry, Dipsit, but GL was clear on this: Sith create imbalance; Jedi try to maintain it. Therefore, imbalance only comes about when the Sith are actively working to bring it about (i.e. Sidious' plotting and treachery for all those years, an unseen menace) Your definition of balance is an unrealistic D & Dish type balance, where a = b, but that's not the case.
If it were, then there would perpetually be an imbalance throughout the ages, since the number of sith and jedi were never comparable. And if the situation were that for every time of imbalance a chosen one must be created to remedy that imbalance, there would be more chosen ones than you could name off in under a day, that's for sure.
No, the real sense of the prophecy here is that Anakin is -supposed- to bring balance to the Force. But how is only guessed at, and indeed the senior Council members begin to doubt that Anakin is the chosen one at all by the time of ROTS. It is important to realize the nature of predestination at this point. Let me see if I can help...
The future does not exist for linear beings such as you or I. We have the present, with the future being totally unknown to us and the past being a nebulous fog of memories. That way, it is impossible for us to predict the future since it would require a "God's eye view" (Or the view of someone who is outside of time, such as God would be, and could see everything before them not unlike a comic strip of events) . Now, assuming something like that exists (A person who can see all events at once) you have to imagine "Could the prophecy have come from this source?" If not, then the prophecy is just a prediction made by another linear being like us.
If so, then you have to determine whether the prophecy is neccessarily true because of the nonlinear observation or because of something else. To cut to the chase, this nonlinear being may have knowledge of the future, but they do not neccessarily control it. Therefore, the actual future event has rooting in choice; in this case, the choices of Anakin Skywalker.
So the question becomes not "Is there a prophecy about Anakin Skywalker" since that can't be proved or disproved without knowing the source and its original source... The question instead becomes "How closely does this prophecy conform to Anakin's choices and his eventual outcome?" Well, since GL has said that the Sith create imbalance and the jedi retain it, you can do the homework from this point on.
And this is in the wrong section, btw.
well writen janus so the way ur saying it with the sith being the unbalance vader brings balance to the force because vader is reformed to the lightside when he kills sidious therefor bringing balance to the force if the sith are the unbalance. so luke cant be because vader takes the cheese. if im wrong someone please tell me so i can fix myself.
yes and janus i do aplaud how well written ur argument was
dont have a reason becuase they have already been stated ANNAKIN/VADER oh yeBut honostly how many of these threads are going to b made, there was probably about a dozen of these made b4 i signed on these forums, please strop making these forums(luke/vader chosen one forums) im no mod but it does got annoying. thanks.
Originally posted by Aduruth
dont have a reason becuase they have already been stated ANNAKIN/VADER oh yeBut honostly how many of these threads are going to b made, there was probably about a dozen of these made b4 i signed on these forums, please strop making these forums(luke/vader chosen one forums) im no mod but it does got annoying. thanks.
Um... What?
Try writing in cohesive understandable sentences, because how you write now is annoying. Thanks.
this could help if anybody found out how old sidious was. because he could have quite possibly formed it long ago. but it was said to have been formed in the times of the ancient jedi. so if sidious was alive around then or a time period relevant to the date the prophecy was created he probably could have made his plan for the future as an uprising.
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