Re: Elder Gods battle
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
Demiurge created Gaea, Chthon, Set and Oshtur
Demiurge and Gaea together created AtumWho is the most powerful of these 6 characters?
Who would win an all out battle?
Rank them 1 to 6
PIS/CIS/BFR/morals OFF
Demiurge is the abstractual embodiment of magic that came to earth when it formed , not an actual elder god himself, he created them all.
in power i would say
Demiurge
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Atum The God Eater (Demogorge)
Gaea/Chthon/Set/Oshtur/Agamotto/Crom
Odin/Zeus/Vishnu/Seth
Thor/Hela/Poseiden/Pluto
so yes he would likely beat them all at the same time
This has been retconned you know.
Gaea is not created by the Demiurge anymore according to Chaos War.
And Set is older than Galactus or the Celestials and preexisted as the great darkness, no mention of Demiurge in his creation either. This was from Secret Avengers 1-4.
Oshtur and Chthon haven't been updated yet. Demiurge hasn't been mentioned again and Atum is dead.
Agamotto isn't an Elder God Big C, he was virgin born from Oshtur (according to Marvel Tarot 1).
Crom isn't an Elder God either. He came into being about 25,000-18,000 BCE.
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
What is Gaea origin in that story?Is it official retcon or just an alternate universe story?
It's official since it was taking place in 616 reality.
Demiurge isn't even mentioned. Same with Set. He predates this universe and it's abstracts, this is in direct contradiction to the "Demiurge" creation story. So it's been retconned.
Originally posted by rotiart
If he isn't mentioned how the heck can there be a retcon. :-/
Easy, originally the story was the Demiurge created the Elder Gods on Earth billions of years ago.
According to Chaos War this isn't the case anymore with Gaea.
According to Secret Avengers 1-4, Set preexisted before this current universe.
Hence the retconn 😄
Oshtur and Chthon haven't had their new origin stories yet.
Originally posted by zopzopi kinda thought they were some of the weaker elders god demogorge scared off to another dimension . legion also had to reset the entire universe to kill them tho
Who knows? I didn't recognize any of them. It could have just been a group of demons from limbo calling themselves "Elder Gods".
Originally posted by zopzop
Which retcon? Gaea's or Set's?
That's not even a retcon. It was just Hera's summarized version of the events. Essentially it was Pak trying to push Mikaboshi as the darkness before everything while never really explaining anything about established continuity.
If the Demiurge never created Gaea and the Elder Gods, who created them and who did Gaea mate with to create Atum? Earth existed before the Elder Gods and the Demiurge; they came after it's creation. Pak didn't plan it out right but essentially he meant the Earth came into being from the void along with the rest of creation. If we take it as just Gaea, then we take it as is and Gaea would precede all other Elder Gods as well as they never mention any other gods coming into being but Gaea. All this makes no sense because it's establish by previous books that Gaea had siblings and a son who all came from the Demiurge. One version of the past by Hera doesn't all of a sudden retcon away the Demiurge's role as father of the Elder Gods and Gaea's consort.
Whoever wrote Chaos War 3-4 wrote the Gaea retconn.
Not sure what part of any of that retcons Gaea's history. Are you referring to the part where it says Gaea gathers all her children and grandchildren to mourn the end of creation? Because she technically is the mother of a lot of them and grandmother due to being Atum's mother. Atum released the energies of the Elder Gods and birthing the second generation of gods - so yeah she's their grandmother as well. There's no mention of anything else that says the Demiurge is retcon out of existence.
And Set is older than Galactus or the Celestials and preexisted as the great darkness, no mention of Demiurge in his creation either. This was from Secret Avengers 1-4.Whoever wrote Secret Avengers 1-4 wrote the Set retconn.
You might want to read those books again. If anything, Set is just a mere child of something greater.
According to Archon, Nova seeks to
- "awaken the darkest child." Who will
- "awaken his brothers" and they will
- "free their nameless father"
- "he is the darkness inside the dark. HE IS THE ABYSS
- "Those who were touched by the Abyss made three crowns so the wearers can channel the power of the dark children."
The Serpent Crown is one of three crowns that includes the Tentacle Crown. Three crowns were made to channel each child's power. The Serpent Crown channels Set's power - thus Set is the darkest child of the Abyss. There's atleast more references to this "Abyss", differentiating the character from being Set.
Furthermore, this Abyss is merely a shadow of Eternity's dreaming according to Archon. He doesn't predate the abstracts at all. Galactus predates 616 Eternity and Death. It doesn't even predate the Celestials because Archon says "since long before the Celestials and Devourer of Worlds arrived" - not long before they "came into being". In other words, this Abyss slept longer than even the Celestial and Galactus' first arrival to Earth. Being billions of years old doesn't put him older then the abstracts.
How threatening this Abyss remains to be seen. All this talk about universal threat seems hype when all the Watchers did was leave a group of Androids that, I wager, is herald level at best to wait for it's awakenning.
There's no true retconing here. Some stuff where touched but never really explained. Until it's expanded upon, this is just another vague new darkness.