Captain Marvel (Billy) vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's no concession silly, it's me realizing that the discussion has derailed the thread enough to be a violation of the rules and that debating against someone like you who refuses to acknowledge logic, common sense, and the very rules of the forum he's posting on is pointless.

Wow, another Concession? You're on a roll.

Isn't Jurgens the one who flip flops his opinion during interviews depending on the audience? Or was it someone else who said that Supes was a million times stronger than Thor then turned around and said that he didn't mean it?

He never flip flopped between his opinions regarding Superman and Surfer. Gail Simone, Geoff Johns, Ron Marz etc have all said that Superman would beat Surfer.

Originally posted by cdtm
Godhunter, when Bill was hunting Galactus, he most certainly shrugged off two hits. Knocked him off his board and into Scuttlebutt, but otherwise lefr him unphased.

And then he proceeded to beat Bill down.

After a cheapshot from his board. Don't forget that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I just haven't seen it, that's all.

Maybe carver has them. He was going to rep Surfer in a recent tourney, so I bet he's got loads of Surfer scans that he collected himself.

My mindset? I'm just asking for an example of Surfer scanning someone, determining their weakness, and acting on it. That's all. IOW, the very thing he's said to be able to do against Billy.

Edit: as someone wiser than me (and probably more handsome) said:

I say this should do it..

Uni Lord is not canon to 616 Surfer. Surfer was also assimilated in Uni Lord and that's how he knew that a particular soul was not fully assimilated.

Two lies in one post.

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lol's! We've been through this Abhi. Less you've found new evidence that farther supports your claim, it is rather but a rant baseless opinion from a renown hater to this character..

The scan was presented to show as evidence to Darksaints that Surfer does exploits weakness and act upon it..

No lies here, only comic facts.

Why is it non canon? Simplify it, I'm not digging through years of issues lol.

And thanks, Ambient. That's pretty much all I was asking.

Originally posted by Ambient
lol's! We've been through this Abhi. Less you've found new evidence that farther supports your claim, it is rather but a rant baseless opinion from a renown hater to this character..

The scan was presented to show as evidence to Darksaints that Surfer does exploits weakness and act upon it..

No lies here, only comic facts.

If the information is given to him on a platter, sure. He didn't discover it on his own.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is it non canon? Simplify it, I'm not digging through years of issues lol.

And thanks, Ambient. That's pretty much all I was asking.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive

First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

Now the reason why that scene can't be used as a proof that surfer can live even cut into pieces is that because HE DIED and his soul was absorbed into a blackbody and he shattered into pieces after that.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p23.jpg

Unilord made the union and called it Black Surfer

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p09.jpg

While surfer's power was absorbed by twelve individuals which were granted his powers

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p02.jpg

The balck surfer then absorbed surfer's powers back and surfer after getting his body and soul back broke free from blackbody's control

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p22.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED [/B]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is it non canon? Simplify it, I'm not digging through years of issues lol.

And thanks, Ambient. That's pretty much all I was asking.

SS V3 #113 Surfer tried to breach the Unilord Universe via Cosmic swell/wave but failed..

A what if/ another timeline/Universe was created where he made it to the breach, there he fought and defeated the Unilord and then took the Cosmic swell/wave again back to 616 Universe.

SS V3 #121 then this happened..

According to Abhi, this Surfer never made it back to 616 Universe because of above scan. What he is not getting is that the above 2 pg is just a psychic manifestation put forth by Skooka, who is now the current Unilord, take note her statement, "One question at a time, I'm too delicate right now for psychic overload." Also Abhi is totally ignoring/ disregarding the ending of the story..

SS V3 #122 This Surfer exited the breach to 616 Universe..

A silver comet exiting the breach, finding then colliding and melding back with 616 version, therefore making a full connection..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we've been over it and you've always been proven wrong.
It's pretty much a fact and you've just your red herrings and circular evidence and then you start bitching and moaning about how I'm a hater.

If the information is given to him on a platter, sure. He didn't discover it on his own.

This has long been busted. Ambient just comes up every six months and pretend it's not.

Not bitching but an observation known to all, you cant deny it.

👆 ambient is certainly on point with the uni-lord argument.

But how is all of this relevant when Billy has no easily exploitable weakness?

I think that Surfer wins because he edges Cap out in overall power.

Yeah weakness exploitation is of no relevance on this fight. It's not going to be an easy fight for Surfer, probably goes similar way a fight with BRB or Morg and the likes.

Originally posted by Ambient
Let's see where to start..

SS V3 #113 Surfer tried to breach the Unilord Universe via Cosmic swell/wave but failed..

A what if/ another timeline/Universe was created where he made it to the breach, there he fought and defeated the Unilord and then took the Cosmic swell/wave again back to 616 Universe.

SS V3 #121 then this happened..

According to Abhi, this Surfer never made it back to 616 Universe because of above scan. What he is not getting is that the above 2 pg is just a psychic manifestation put forth by Skooka, who is now the current Unilord, take note her statement, "One question at a time, I'm too delicate right now for psychic overload." Also Abhi is totally ignoring/ disregarding the ending of the story..

SS V3 #122 This Surfer exited the breach to 616 Universe..

A silver comet exiting the breach, finding then colliding and melding back with 616 version, therefore making a full connection..

👆

i never even considered for a moment that arc could be viewed as non-canon.... always thought it was pretty clear. surprised it's being said to be otherwise. /shrug

Originally posted by Ambient
Let's see where to start..

SS V3 #113 Surfer tried to breach the Unilord Universe via Cosmic swell/wave but failed..

A what if/ another timeline/Universe was created where he made it to the breach, there he fought and defeated the Unilord and then took the Cosmic swell/wave again back to 616 Universe.

SS V3 #121 then this happened..

According to Abhi, this Surfer never made it back to 616 Universe because of above scan. What he is not getting is that the above 2 pg is just a psychic manifestation put forth by Skooka, who is now the current Unilord, take note her statement, "One question at a time, I'm too delicate right now for psychic overload." Also Abhi is totally ignoring/ disregarding the ending of the story..

SS V3 #122 This Surfer exited the breach to 616 Universe..

A silver comet exiting the breach, finding then colliding and melding back with 616 version, therefore making a full connection..

👆

Originally posted by Ambient
Let's see where to start..

SS V3 #113 Surfer tried to breach the Unilord Universe via Cosmic swell/wave but failed..

A what if/ another timeline/Universe was created where he made it to the breach, there he fought and defeated the Unilord and then took the Cosmic swell/wave again back to 616 Universe.

SS V3 #121 then this happened..

According to Abhi, this Surfer never made it back to 616 Universe because of above scan. What he is not getting is that the above 2 pg is just a psychic manifestation put forth by Skooka, who is now the current Unilord, take note her statement, "One question at a time, I'm too delicate right now for psychic overload." Also Abhi is totally ignoring/ disregarding the ending of the story..

SS V3 #122 This Surfer exited the breach to 616 Universe..

A silver comet exiting the breach, finding then colliding and melding back with 616 version, therefore making a full connection..

It's like your annual function. Last time you got wrecked as usual.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think I haven't had this discussion with you before? Or dozens of surfer fanboys?

First thing, Surfer wasn't split into two beings. It was a what If scenario.

Second thing, it wasn't Unilord surfer who exited from the rift. It was a communication bolt which Quasar confirms.

Wendell flat out said that the bolt which hit surfer was the same which he had encountered five weeks ago. At the start of Unilord saga. Not to mention Unilord surfer was back in his own universe which you try to show as him trying to merge with 616 surfer.

http://i.imgur.com/irMBFGL.jpg

Even Surfer says it was a silver bolt which struck him. Not that he is merged with another silver surfer.

There goes your fanfiction.

It wasn't an alternate Silver Surfer. It was a communication bolt as confirmed by Quasar. Open and shut case.

Originally posted by Ambient
where in that wall of text is your evidence again, what is your counter argument of the ending of that arc? There are also quite a bit of pieces of important part not included on your so called myth busting text..

Not bitching but an observation known to all, you cant deny it.

Come on champ, one more time till we have this same discussion in 2017.

Originally posted by krisblaze
👆 ambient is certainly on point with the uni-lord argument.

But how is all of this relevant when Billy has no easily exploitable weakness?

I think that Surfer wins because he edges Cap out in overall power.

Originally posted by leonidas
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i never even considered for a moment that arc could be viewed as non-canon.... always thought it was pretty clear. surprised it's being said to be otherwise. /shrug

Originally posted by carver9
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srsly

Abhi's about to shoot up KMC

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi's about to shoot up KMC

Thanks for the warning!

*Uses Krisblaze as a human shield*

Originally posted by abhilegend
We have been over this so many times its not even funny anymore.

It's like your annual function. Last time you got wrecked as usual.

It wasn't an alternate Silver Surfer. It was a communication bolt as confirmed by Quasar. Open and shut case.

Confirmed?? - reaching much?? Please post a scan of evidence that depicts your claim, where was it stated that another was release? Fact: There was only 10 made and all was lost except 111, as stated in SS V3 #111..

One qualities of the communication bolt are that it pretty much is invisible, where even the likes of Heimdall, Quasar and BRB can't visibly detect..

As opposed to this..

or this, the impact alone almost blew Bill as well.. This was no communication bolt as shown in the difference of its qualities; the com. bolt is so small that visibly detecting it is impossible, totally unlike the silver streak of light/ comet that came out of the breach.

Like i said we've been through this before, I don't see why your so adamantly fixed on your claim when there isn't a single shred of evidence to your point, as oppose to mine, Surfer the only being shown on panel to ever inter the breach at end ----- AGAIN NO COMMUNICATION BOLT WAS SHOWN.

And likely the only being shown to exit it, depicted by way of a silver comet streaking out of the breach..

UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIM, IT HAS NO MERIT..

😆 😆 😆 at you thinking you've won..

Shame - Shame - Shame