True, but then it can't simply be a genetic thing, it exists on many levels, after all, higher cognitive emotions like love are very much mental things, something almost exclusive to humanity, the species that has supposedly overcome the base limitations of instinct and genes, so while there might be a genetic factor, there is most certainly a deeper mental one also.
Being homosexual isn't genetic, you idiots. Your DNA(where your genes are kept) has nothing to do with your mental state. Physical attraction stems from the mind, not your genes/chromosomes/DNA.
Homosexuality is probably a minor chemical imbalance in the brain, or psychological trauma(no, that doesn't mean that I'm saying all homosexuals had traumatic childhoods). The only way that this could be anywhere near tied to genes is if there was a slight mutation in the DNA chain, and the brain cells produce a faulty protein that caused the chemical imbalance. Other than that, DNA really has nothing to do with what decisions you make. Even then, it has nothing to do with the genes, it's a fault in the DNA helix.
There is NO gay gene
The chemical imbalance would also explain why animals can become homosexual.
I think the biggest issue in the question posed is a matter of validity. People want to know what others think about the subject so that they can form their own opinion on the matter..or validate it to themselves. This is the way I see the question really being formulated in someone's head: "Is homosexuality something these freaks picked up because they're different and should be frowned upon for somehow "seeking" out this heddonistic lifestyle....OR..were the poor diluted souls born that way and simply can't help where they stick their dicks?"...which leads to the much more sympathetic disgust known as begrudged pity.
In either case, I wonder why it matters? If I am gay because I am genetically hard-wired to be gay, or whether I'm gay because I chose to be, isn't relevant. I simply am. I'm gay, and there's nothing that the good lord Jesus, the lord of darkness Satan, George W Bush, Firey Eyes, Adolf Hitler, Ghandi or John Kerry can do about it. It is a fact. And unless we are going back to the prehistoric days of simply killing those who are different BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT then it's a fact that the world is simply going to have to accept.
I've heard all these arguments before, and they always seem to fall short of ever accomplishing something...anything. When the argument is over and everyone has lost intrest in the thread, no one will have changed their mind, much less reached an informed conclusion where either side has been considered.
I'm not one of those gay guys that stands on the steps of capitol hill and waves a rainbow flag. I'm not a big supported of gay rights...as they are contradictory to the very goal they are meant to acheive. Special rights for gay people will only set them apart from the rest of society even further. It's like taking two shows and comparing them...like Six Feet Under and Queer as Folk. Six Feet Under has a lot of gay themes which are part of the larger story. Queer As Folk is simply a soap opera about gay people that fulfills every stereotype in the book. A straight guy can watch Six Feet Under and enjoy it, and not even notice the difference between the gay and straight characters...but let a straight guy watch Queer As Folk and they talk about how disgusting it is. I don't want special rights for gay people, I want human rights for everyone.
I'm sorry if this thread has been offensive to you, just for this thread existing in the first place, not that I'm responsible for it, but I have contributed alot of discussion here, but I have been trying to say that I dont believe its genetics and it isn't really choice that makes some one gay, its most likely a bunch of different things that make you who you are. I'm not argueing that it really makes a difference... its just when a thread like this gets started I can already see it going towards comments made by the religious types such as "I believe that satan put blinders on them and thats what makes them like that"... I felt it was neccesary to put out a fair estimation of what I thought makes gay people gay. I agree that people should get beyond the question of "what makes gay people gay?" to "why are we still singling people out as different in society?" I think that at times there are situations where diversity should be celebrated... and maybe thats what the rainbow flag waiving types are trying to accomplish, but from what you've been saying, and from what I've gotten from the few gay people I know is that instead of labels like "gay people" we should instead just view them as we do everyone else regardless of who they are attracted to. I'm not that good with that... I sometimes let out comments like "class was gay today...etc." I try not to... and I try be respectful of differences and not to focus on them, but its tough. But, anyways I'm not sure what I was trying to say here but... yeah maybe this thread should just kind of die now, I mean you are right when you say that it really doesnt matter either way. Whatever causes it doesnt really matter, we should just let you guys do your thing and not worry about why they do what they do.
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
I'm sorry if this thread has been offensive to you, just for this thread existing in the first place, not that I'm responsible for it, but I have contributed alot of discussion here, but I have been trying to say that I dont believe its genetics and it isn't really choice that makes some one gay, its most likely a bunch of different things that make you who you are. I'm not argueing that it really makes a difference... its just when a thread like this gets started I can already see it going towards comments made by the religious types such as "I believe that satan put blinders on them and thats what makes them like that"... I felt it was neccesary to put out a fair estimation of what I thought makes gay people gay. I agree that people should get beyond the question of "what makes gay people gay?" to "why are we still singling people out as different in society?" I think that at times there are situations where diversity should be celebrated... and maybe thats what the rainbow flag waiving types are trying to accomplish, but from what you've been saying, and from what I've gotten from the few gay people I know is that instead of labels like "gay people" we should instead just view them as we do everyone else regardless of who they are attracted to. I'm not that good with that... I sometimes let out comments like "class was gay today...etc." I try not to... and I try be respectful of differences and not to focus on them, but its tough. But, anyways I'm not sure what I was trying to say here but... yeah maybe this thread should just kind of die now, I mean you are right when you say that it really doesnt matter either way. Whatever causes it doesnt really matter, we should just let you guys do your thing and not worry about why they do what they do.
I wasn't offended at all, and I apologize if my comments came across that way. I read posts like this on every forum I go to, and they are invariably the same from one forum to the next. You have the straight non-religious types who say either a) who gives a shit? or b)being gay is wrong cuz it just is and it disgusts me. Then you have the straight religious types who say, without fail and in no uncertain terms, that it is the work of Satan or God never intended for gays to exist. You get the occasional gay guy or woman who says "we have the right to exist, no matter what you think...we were born this way". Then, every once in a great while you run across the religious gay guy that has twisted what he hears in to some message of tolerance he's discovered about christianity in the country today that makes him believe that people like Jerry Fallwell are really just looking out for us gay people by spreading the truth. I often imagine this last type of person to committ suicide not long after..
Yeah... you managed to summarize 14 pages of debate and discussion into like 6 sentences, fairly accurately. I guess I didnt really hear much from the self hating gays, but I know who you are talking about there. There was a girl like that at my high school. But, one thing I do kind of dissagree with you on is that nothing is accomplished by this discussion though. I know that I've learned somethings during the dicussion... every now and then someone does say something kind of insightful, something that really makes me think hard about things. Like your last post about validity provided me with some mind food... I guess I didnt really interpret the question that way exactly but it got me thinking about how that question is approached. So I dunno... it is kind of dumb having a predominantly straight crowd discussing this. There was only like one other person (I think) besides you who identified themselves as being gay and really contributed anything to the discussion and I guess it wasn't really that big a deal to you guys what causes it, as long as society accepts you guys. I guess the question should be why are we even talking about this? is it just because straight people don't really understand gay people and find them mysterious or something or what? What do you think? I honestly don't know why I really spent anytime on this thread, I mean I have never been too curious about what makes people gay... it just ended up being somewhat interesting discussion with a bunch of people disagreeing. I like to disagree with people so the controversial threads kind of gravitate towards me.
Originally posted by A4E
today i saw this movie "mean girls" and they show this reallyh religious kids saying "and in the eight day god created the (a gun who's i forgot the name) to fight the dinasours....and the homosexuals" and i rmebered fiery eyes!!
but dont worry fiery eyes every gay guy or lesbian girl will go to hell! cuz its a huge sin to love somebody of ujre same sex.
u make me so angry!! do u REALLY think that just because a guy loves another guy he'll go to hell?!?!?!?! its just plain stupid!!
The bible does state that.
Originally posted by Lord Soth
As well as a bigoted Christian.
What is that suppose to mean?? cuz i do not share in your beliefs?? I state my opinions and you don't like so, YOU lower yourself to name calling. wohhooooo that was so big of you.
I know most don't agree w/my opinions, which is fine by me, thats what KMC is about posting opinions and debating/discussing.
The bible does state that.so, Hitler stated a load of things too didnt make it right though.
Weird thing about the bible it talks about gay being wrong so many christians, not all of them by a longshoth thought, condemn it yet the bible also say that it aint up to us humans to judge thats the job of the divine duo in the sky on judgment day. So those christians who condems actually sin.