Who would be a bigger threat: Thor vs. Superman

Started by NemeBro40 pages

If I feel like it I might do a bit of research, review h1's numbers, and do my own calculation to see how it matches up like I did with his inflated calculation of Superman stopping the shadow moon (a perfect replica of the real moon but magical!) flying at about one percent the speed of light in the comics. h1's calc put the feat at sufficient to destroy a rather large star, when in reality it was about 700-800 times greater than destroying the planet earth. Sufficient to destroy a large planet like Jupiter.

If I get around to it we shall see how accurate h1's calc is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As H1 did not provide a credible source for his numbers, they're being ignored.

Just do your research or ask an expert.
I gave the name of the weaponry, you can just google it and find the specs yourself.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As H1 did not provide a credible source for his numbers, they're being ignored.

h1, could you provide a source for the M61 Vulcan and its rounds? I can find it myself if I do this later obviously, but it will save me some time.

I'll give you a little hint, one of his mistakes is he is not correctly accounting for deformation distance.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll give you a little hint, one of his mistakes is he is not correctly accounting for deformation distance.

I did. Reread

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Reread

No, you didn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't give the stopping power . That isn't a real term.
Reread. If you don’t understand the math just get confirmation with another expert.

Wow! If only I stated that. You are missing a few words buddy.

Just get a physicist or an expert to review everything if you are not qualified to do so. Just don’t take my word for it.

That was the end result of your calculation was it not?

Wow Hulk took multiple shots of 300milliom+ tons in Avengers.

Normally, I would have jumped in by now. But watching h1 trying to bait people with his BS is actually kind of comedy gold.

Edit. For anyone that wants the proper values, just google “muzzle energy calculator”, google “vulcan cannon”, take projectile grain/muzzle velocity and type in values in the provided boxes. Takes like maybe 30 seconds.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Normally, I would have jumped in by now. But watching h1 trying to bait people with his BS is actually kind of comedy gold.

Edit. For anyone that wants the proper values, just google “muzzle energy calculator”, google “vulcan cannon”, take projectile grain/muzzle velocity and type in values in the provided boxes. Takes like maybe 30 seconds.

Soooooo, once again H1 spouts utter bollocks and nobody is surprised.

Edit 2. Was typing on an iphone, didn't notice that my typing was messed up.

I meant google "muzzle energy calculator", google "Vulcan cannon", take projectile grain and muzzle velocity and type in the values in the provided boxes. Takes 30 seconds.

Also, if you want to know penetration of a Vulcan, google "Vulcan vs RHA", w/c is the military standard for penetration.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Soooooo, once again H1 spouts utter bollocks and nobody is surprised

Went to the same site, typed in the numbers. Your loaded site must have had some errors (it happens when the site improperly loads) . Type it again and see what happens.

Should be around 42k ft-lbs.

Edit. Realized your error, you put a "," between 3 and 450, the site must be reading it as 3.450 (or something).

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Went to the same site, typed in the numbers. Your loaded site must have had some errors (it happens when the site improperly loads) . Type it again and see what happens.

Should be around 42k ft-lbs.

Edit. Realized your error, you put a "," between 3 and 450, the site must be reading it as 3.450 (or something).

Yep, I fixed it, and backed it up with another site. Images to follow:

Aint no way around this, that result is a far cry from 300 MILLION tons...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was the end result of your calculation was it not?

Wow Hulk took multiple shots of 300milliom+ tons in Avengers.

Actually, Hulk took a barrage of GAU 12 25mm shells (like they were spitballs).

Those would have about 2x the muzzle energy of a Vulcan. So he took 600 million tons? 😱

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yep, I fixed it, and backed it up with another site. Images to follow:

Aint no way around this, that result is a far cry from 300 MILLION tons...

h1 is likely going to try to sidestep by forcing you to correct his "math" (w/c he knows no one would waste their time for).

Notice how he uses "math" and not "science/logic"?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, Hulk took a barrage of GAU 12 25mm shells (like they were spitballs).

Those would have about 2x the muzzle energy of a Vulcan. So he took 600 million tons? 😱

Well wuldya look at that 😛

Originally posted by Nibedicus
h1 is likely going to try to sidestep by forcing you to correct his "math" (w/c he knows no one would waste their time for).

Notice how he uses "math" and not "science/logic"?

yep, it's a classic stall and attrition tactic trolls like to use to force opponents out of a debate through sheer frustration.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, Hulk took a barrage of GAU 12 25mm shells (like they were spitballs).

Those would have about 2x the muzzle energy of a Vulcan. So he took 600 million tons? 😱

Thanks for the correction. Im not a science teacher like h1a8.

But to give Hulk his due credit, it was MULTIPLE shots of 600 Million Tons EACH!

I guess I'm not surprised that no one here knows the difference between Force, Power, momentum, Kinetic Energy, and Pressure. These terms are all the same to the ignorant. The fact that you guys are quoting 313 million tons (a unit of force) proves it.

The 313 million tons per square in was units of pressure,not force. In the same post I clearly stated that the AVERAGE stopping FORCE was about 221 tons. Guess how much pressure a hypodermic needle exerts if it just laid on your skin upright (basically under the force of its own weight)?
55 tons per square inch. Don't forget that this is units of pressure (not force). The force would be its own weigh (about 2 Newtons).

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you didn't.
So 1in wouldn't be a good deformation distance approximation to calculate how far the center of gravity of the bullet travels before stopping ?

If yes then what is a better approximation?

All this jumping around with “maths” just to avoid the fact that Iron Man already took the same fire power in an early armour.

And if you think Iron Man is not durable than Thor, then youre even more idiotic than you already sound.