It's not understandable or reasonable when that behaviour has been randomly shoehorned into the middle of the storyline.
I don't know what this weird blind spot people have been having for that is. It makes absolutely no narrative sense whatsoever. It's simply a piss poor emotional tug done with no respect for the character's continuity thus far in the mistaken belief that it improves or rounds out the character.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ridley killed her family and really ****ed shit up. Reasonable reaction is reasonable. The article Peach posted was legit.
Master Chief wouldn't freak out. 313
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's not understandable or reasonable when that behaviour has been randomly shoehorned into the middle of the storyline.I don't know what this weird blind spot people have been having for that is. It makes absolutely no narrative sense whatsoever. It's simply a piss poor emotional tug done with no respect for the character's continuity thus far in the mistaken belief that it improves or rounds out the character.
Kaliero provided a totally badass post regarding that a few pages back, you should check it out. (tee hee)
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's not understandable or reasonable when that behaviour has been randomly shoehorned into the middle of the storyline.I don't know what this weird blind spot people have been having for that is. It makes absolutely no narrative sense whatsoever. It's simply a piss poor emotional tug done with no respect for the character's continuity thus far in the mistaken belief that it improves or rounds out the character.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Oh come now, namecalling and hyperbolic insults? Surely you can debate without those crutches.The fact Samus is a human woman with emotions is not something created just for Other M. This characterization has been in plain sight for 8 years now, and implied since the ending of Metroid II. Samus is incredibly introspective and thoughtful in Fusion in how she narrates the game, and this continues in Zero Mission. Note Samus' look of shock and, dare I say it, fear as Ridley appears. Samus reacts this way for no other boss, not even Mother Brain. Clearly they were showing a moment of fear just from seeing him, and she already knew Ridley would be present when she took on the mission. I would say that Super Metroid is the odd one out, and that because she was out for revenge and looking for him.
It is entirely consistent with how Samus has been portrayed for years. I think you are mistaking yourself for the core audience in your dismissal of the manga, as well. Considering the manga managed two volumes and an animated online revival on Metroid's official site years later tells me that the manga not only was intended to be a piece of the story, but did well financially and therefore reached the core Metroid audience, that is, the Metroid players in Japan. It is similar to the olden days when all a game's story was contained in a few pages of the manual. Your casual dismissal makes you come off as perhaps a bit arrogant, as if everything properly Metroid is only properly so because it has your personal stamp of approval.
Further, your dismissal of the baby Metroid is extremely distressing for your stance. The very fact that Samus keeps the baby Metroid alive at all, instead of simply killing it as she had so many others of its kind, is an act of attachment and perhaps even remorse. In Fusion also, Samus speaks at length about how she owes the baby Metroid her life twice over and that she had felt a connection with it. You seem to be ignoring inconvenient parts of even the games themselves to support your faulty opinion.
Your biggest problem is that you are mistaking a sparseness of characterization in the earlier games and Prime as a personality. This is the exact same error for which you faulted people who like Revan. This hypocrisy makes me curious: do you actually accept Samus as a character in herself, or are you simply inserting your own ideals into a mostly blank slate, and then complaining that the actual vision does not match your personal own? I wonder.
And out of curiosity, what are the plotholes and forgotten story of which you speak? I have no doubt they tie directly into the canon you personally choose to ignore.
I think you should be very careful before you blow off my opinion as that of a series fanboy. As a long-time fan, I have the most to lose from this so-called "character assassination," so perhaps it is you whose critical faculties are biased.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Kaliero provided a totally badass post regarding that a few pages back, you should check it out. (tee hee)
I refuse to discuss things with people being so utterly unreasonable. Your refutation is not reasonable, intelligent or logical and going any further there is without point. Your position is so fanboy-blinded as to be shameful. I completely discount the value of anything you say about the matter and I don't care about anything you want answered. It's contemptible from start to finish.
You will not allow yourself to see any kind of sense and it speaks poorly of you. I am very much used to idiiotic opinions being held about games; I am just saddened to see it from here.
So the fact remains from an objective, unbiased viewpoint that her behaviour is not even remotely consistent with that from the other games. Most intelligent commentators have noted this. Empty blather does not change that at all. You may as well deny that the sky is blue (or try to claim that the core Metroid audience is in Japan, for that matter, which is far from true).
Originally posted by UshgarakI find Ad Hominem fallacies fun too.
I refuse to discuss things with people being so utterly unreasonable. Your refutation is not reasonable, intelligent or logical and going any further there is without point. Your position is so fanboy-blinded as to be shameful. I completely discount the value of anything you say about the matter and I don't care about anything you want answered. It's contemptible from start to finish.You will not allow yourself to see any kind of sense and it speaks poorly of you. I am very much used to idiiotic opinions being held about games; I am just saddened to see it from here.
So the fact remains from an objective, unbiased viewpoint that her behaviour is not even remotely consistent with that from the other games. Most intelligent commentators have noted this. Empty blather does not change that at all. You may as well deny that the sky is blue (or try to claim that the core Metroid audience is in Japan, for that matter, which is far from true).
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I refuse to discuss things with people being so utterly unreasonable. Your refutation is not reasonable, intelligent or logical and going any further there is without point. Your position is so fanboy-blinded as to be shameful. I completely discount the value of anything you say about the matter and I don't care about anything you want answered. It's contemptible from start to finish.You will not allow yourself to see any kind of sense and it speaks poorly of you. I am very much used to idiiotic opinions being held about games; I am just saddened to see it from here.
So the fact remains from an objective, unbiased viewpoint that her behaviour is not even remotely consistent with that from the other games. Most intelligent commentators have noted this. Empty blather does not change that at all. You may as well deny that the sky is blue (or try to claim that the core Metroid audience is in Japan, for that matter, which is far from true).
I can see all those college course credits paying for themselves here.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I refuse to discuss things with people being so utterly unreasonable. Your refutation is not reasonable, intelligent or logical and going any further there is without point. Your position is so fanboy-blinded as to be shameful. I completely discount the value of anything you say about the matter and I don't care about anything you want answered. It's contemptible from start to finish.You will not allow yourself to see any kind of sense and it speaks poorly of you. I am very much used to idiiotic opinions being held about games; I am just saddened to see it from here.
So the fact remains from an objective, unbiased viewpoint that her behaviour is not even remotely consistent with that from the other games. Most intelligent commentators have noted this. Empty blather does not change that at all. You may as well deny that the sky is blue (or try to claim that the core Metroid audience is in Japan, for that matter, which is far from true).
If you really feel you must back out of the debate here, I'm disappointed, but fine. Though I do find it somewhat distasteful that you choose to insult me in the midst of your retreat.
It's not based on an objective look of material based evidence; it's based upon an inherently biased position of interpretation that will not shift no matter what logic or reason is put against it. I've seen such positions dozens of times and they are entirely pointless to try and attack. Ignoring such ridiculousness- and noting the behaviour from the person concerned for future reference- is the only approach to take. Your attempts to throw terms like 'hypocrisy' and 'retreat' into what you say are equally contemptible. I won't argue the matter because you are not worth arguing with. That's hardly a retreat. I have absolute confidence that my arguments already presented stand fully on their own merits, entirely irrelevant to what you say.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/112/1122068p1.html
Interesting article about Samus' drastic change of character in this game.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I've seen such positions dozens of times and they are entirely pointless to try and attack. Ignoring such ridiculousness- and noting the behaviour from the person concerned for future reference- is the only approach to take.
I have absolute confidence that my arguments already presented stand fully on their own merits, entirely irrelevant to what you say.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I have absolute confidence that my arguments already presented stand fully on their own merits, entirely irrelevant to what you say.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
it's based upon an inherently biased position of interpretation that will not shift no matter what logic or reason is put against it. I've seen such positions dozens of times and they are entirely pointless to try and attack.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I have absolute confidence that my arguments already presented stand fully on their own merits, entirely irrelevant to what you say.
Impressive. Most impressive.