Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman hit with his normal holding back force. . nothing happened. . .Don't you think Spiderman would push until he reached just the right level to knock him out?
He got to "I bash away with everything I got" to no effect.
Okay.
The very same Spiderman who Wolverine bounced at in Secret Wars #3? The same Spiderman who absent-mindedly backhanded Wolverine? A backhand. A swat, if you will. Wolverine flew like 20 feet. Spiderman was in mid-air (i.e., no leverage) when he backhanded Wolverine then, iirc.
So.
Here we have Spiderman who presses 10 tons, is incredibly fast (punching power is a combination of leverage, speed, technique, strength), knows how to throw a punch, WITH leverage, hitting Wolverine and he is barely moving -- yet in Secret Wars #3 he backhanded him and he flew 20 feet?
I'll just say, again, "okey dokey."
Re: the "granite gravestone," that's Wolverine's skull cracking it. Adamantium > granite. Spidey coud have simply swung Wolverine by the ankles and cracked that granite. Not really an indicator of how hard he was hitting him, imo.
Really? Hmm. Don't much about granite! 😄
You can take a sledgehammer and hit a slab of proper blue Mountsorrel granite, hitting it with all your force - on a proper pointed, prestressed even diamond tipped hammer!!! and the slab will not crack.
If you see a gravestone broken in a graveyard... it's concrete or marble! 😛
Spidey would only be breaking that slab if he was hitting it HARD.
And as for Wolverine flying through the air? So what? Superman can get knocked flying through the air too.... your weight has nothing to do with how tough you are.
If you hit someone with only a ton of force, even if they were superhumanly durable, they would fly.
When Superman first fought the Hulk - Hulk knocked him flying several times.
Then Supes got pissed off and said, right let's get that anger out of you.
He stood there and said "WHEN I DON'T WANT TO BE MOVED... no force on Earth can move me." And Hulk's punches were ineffective.
Spidey is no doubt capable of rocking Logans brain and causing damage.
But if you bang your head, the pain goes away later than same day.
When you cut yourself, it heals over a week or two.
Considering Logan heals cuts nigh instantly.
I'd say he brain heals at phenomenal speed - quicker than any damage could be registered...
Originally posted by NeverNo, Not a PIS/CIS inducing spiderman that nightcrawler couldn't teleport out of the webbing and the x-men were trying to capture not hurt.
Okay.The very same Spiderman who Wolverine bounced at in Secret Wars #3? The same Spiderman who absent-mindedly backhanded Wolverine? A backhand. A swat, if you will. Wolverine flew like 20 feet. Spiderman was in mid-air (i.e., no leverage) when he backhanded Wolverine then, iirc.
Originally posted by Never
So.Here we have Spiderman who presses 10 tons, is incredibly fast (punching power is a combination of leverage, speed, technique, strength), knows how to throw a punch, WITH leverage, hitting Wolverine and he is barely moving -- yet in Secret Wars #3 he backhanded him and he flew 20 feet?
I'll just say, again, "okey dokey."
Re: the "granite gravestone," that's Wolverine's skull cracking it. Adamantium > granite. Spidey coud have simply swung Wolverine by the ankles and cracked that granite. Not really an indicator of how hard he was hitting him, imo.
"I bash away with everything I've got" Is a pretty good indicator.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Really? Hmm. Don't much about granite! 😄You can take a sledgehammer and hit a slab of proper blue Mountsorrel granite, hitting it with all your force - on a proper pointed, prestressed even diamond tipped hammer!!! and the slab will not crack.
If you see a gravestone broken in a graveyard... it's concrete or marble! 😛
Spidey would only be breaking that slab if he was hitting it HARD.
You are attempting to apply real world laws of physics to a fictive comic book environment. Impossible.
And as for Wolverine flying through the air? So what? Superman can get knocked flying through the air too.... your weight has nothing to do with how tough you are.
Your point? I never said anything about Wolverine's durability. I pointed out the incongruity between that one-shot and Secret Wars #3.
If you hit someone with only a ton of force, even if they were superhumanly durable, they would fly.
Why do you people post this tripe? Dear sir, an average heavyweight boxer can punch with 600lbs of force per square inch. Advanced black belts can punch with 2000lbs of force per square inch. Now have you seen EITHER of them send someone flying, much less a 300lb individual who was in mid-air jumping toward you? Haha.
When Superman first fought the Hulk - Hulk knocked him flying several times.
Again, has nothing to do with what I typed.
Then Supes got pissed off and said, right let's get that anger out of you.He stood there and said "WHEN I DON'T WANT TO BE MOVED... no force on Earth can move me." And Hulk's punches were ineffective.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Never. I know a little about comics (hint -- don't post something and assume I won't catch you on it). Funny how you forgot this part of that 1981 (out of continuity) crossover?
"But the Hulk grows ever more furious, his strength growing geometrically with each passing second -- and the outcome of the strange duel is in doubt."
So APPARENTLY Hulk would be able to move Superman whether or not he wanted to be moved. Nice try, though.
No, Not a PIS/CIS inducing spiderman that nightcrawler couldn't teleport out of the webbing and the x-men were trying to capture not hurt.
What is your point, sir? Does Nightcrawler ALWAYS immediately port out of tenuous situation? No. Spiderman still backhanded Wolverine and sent him flying. A backhand. Not a punch. But in this one-shot he hit him his hardest and nothing happened, right?
Adamantium neither negates nor absorbs energy/impact in the manner that Panther's vibranium suit does, sir.
The writing is inconsistent. Spiderman used to flick his wrist to pull punches and would send 180lb individuals flying. To induce a concussion, all he'd have to do is hit Wolverine hard enough for his brain to slam into his skull. Archangel, iirc, knocked Wolverine out in the old Uncanny Genosha story arc. But Spiderman cannot? Haha.
Wait, I get it -- because the writer wrote it in a one-shot, it is consistent? Didn't Wolverine tear open Silver Surfer's skin? But that's accurate also, right? Punisher stalemated Wolverine. Wolverine defeated Lobo. Venom withstood Juggernaut's onslaught. All accurate also, right -- regardless of previous characterization?
As I said earlier -- okey dokey.
Originally posted by Never
You are attempting to apply real world laws of physics to a fictive comic book environment. Impossible.Your point? I never said anything about Wolverine's durability. I pointed out the incongruity between that one-shot and Secret Wars #3.
Why do you people post this tripe? Dear sir, an average heavyweight boxer can punch with 600lbs of force per square inch. Advanced black belts can punch with 2000lbs of force per square inch. Now have you seen EITHER of them send someone flying, much less a 300lb individual who was in mid-air jumping toward you? Haha.
Again, has nothing to do with what I typed.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Never. I know a little about comics (hint -- don't post something and assume I won't catch you on it). Funny how you forgot this part of that 1981 (out of continuity) crossover?
"But the Hulk grows ever more furious, his strength growing geometrically with each passing second -- and the outcome of the strange duel [b]is in doubt
."So APPARENTLY Hulk would be able to move Superman whether or not he wanted to be moved. Nice try, though.
What is your point, sir? Does Nightcrawler ALWAYS immediately port out of tenuous situation? No. Spiderman still backhanded Wolverine and sent him flying. A backhand. Not a punch. But in this one-shot he hit him his hardest and nothing happened, right?
Adamantium neither negates nor absorbs energy/impact in the manner that Panther's vibranium suit does, sir.
The writing is inconsistent. Spiderman used to flick his wrist to pull punches and would send 180lb individuals flying. To induce a concussion, all he'd have to do is hit Wolverine hard enough for his brain to slam into his skull. Archangel, iirc, knocked Wolverine out in the old Uncanny Genosha story arc. But Spiderman cannot? Haha.
Wait, I get it -- because the writer wrote it in a one-shot, it is consistent? Didn't Wolverine tear open Silver Surfer's skin? But that's accurate also, right? Punisher stalemated Wolverine. Wolverine defeated Lobo. Venom withstood Juggernaut's onslaught. All accurate also, right -- regardless of previous characterization?
As I said earlier -- okey dokey. [/B]
thanks that all competent people realize this.
first off the one shot was IN continuity so I don't see how secret wars takes more precedence than it does....
secondly..."I bash away with everything I've got"
"i'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars"
"i've given him everything I've got. he just keeps coming"
how it is even debateable in your minds that spiderman was indeed holding back I have no idea...
him swatting wolvie upwards is alot different than him punching wolverine into solid and grounded objects...how would wolverine's body fly if he had nowhere to go but into the ground (which is basically where he was already at)?
spidey hit him with everything he had and couldn't bring wolvie down...spiderman punches aren't doing anything here...
Originally posted by jinzin
first off the one shot was IN continuity so I don't see how secret wars takes more precedence than it does....secondly..."I bash away with everything I've got"
"i'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars"
"i've given him everything I've got. he just keeps coming"
how it is even debateable in your minds that spiderman was indeed holding back I have no idea...
him swatting wolvie upwards is alot different than him punching wolverine into solid and grounded objects...how would wolverine's body fly if he had nowhere to go but into the ground (which is basically where he was already at)?
spidey hit him with everything he had and couldn't bring wolvie down...spiderman punches aren't doing anything here...
How is it debatable? Because Spiderman has ko'ed people with a flick of the wrist, DD has kept wolverine down with a chop, and Namor couldn't knock wolverine back.
Stop using crossovers. They are really crappy evidence, since hulk could ko the heroes he fights, but doesn't.
Hulk KOs people left and right...what comics you been reading? 😕
crossovers...if we had no direct comparisons to go by or comparisons at all for that matter, how could we draw any conclusions?...it's not even out of continuity...
wolverine isn't just "some guy" a flick of the wrist can't ko him....obviously......and DD chopped his adams apple an exposed part of the body while wolvie wasn't prepared for a fight.....another great example to support NOTHING on your part...
Originally posted by jinzin
Hulk KOs people left and right...what comics you been reading? 😕crossovers...if we had no direct comparisons to go by or comparisons at all for that matter, how could we draw any conclusions?...it's not even out of continuity...
wolverine isn't just "some guy" a flick of the wrist can't ko him....obviously......and DD chopped his adams apple an exposed part of the body while wolvie wasn't prepared for a fight.....another great example to support NOTHING on your part...
I'm saying heroes, did hulk one punch kill any HEROES lately?
You can't say that a stronger character is always hitting harder than a weaker character either.
I could survive a punch from thing, that doesn't mean I can go " I survived a 100 ton punch!!"
Can you measure those said blows?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm saying heroes, did hulk one punch kill any HEROES lately?You can't say that a stronger character is always hitting harder than a weaker character either.
I could survive a punch from thing, that doesn't mean I can go " I survived a 100 ton punch!!"
Can you measure those said blows?
about the hulk thing....you should read last hero standing...
also, your analogy is innacurate....it's different when thing admits that he's given you everything he's got...then yes you can measure the punch...😄
Originally posted by jinzin
about the hulk thing....you should read last hero standing...also, your analogy is innacurate....it's different when thing admits that he's given you everything he's got...then yes you can measure the punch...😄
We've already been over how weaker hits have had greater effect, why are we using that one example that is badly inconsistent.
Wolverine can survive it, but why would it have no effect, that's ridiculous.