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I'm not gonna sit here and try and argue that Odin won that exchange, but that wasn't the big point of the fight.

Everyone knew going in Galactus > Odin. What the fight was gonna show was how big of a margin it was. From the fight itself it wasn't a vast one.

Odin was able to cause Galactus to strain in a TP battle, and was able to stun him and hurt him.

That's very telling.

Like I said everyone knew Galactus > Odin but this fight showed that it wasn't that large and in fact seemed pretty even. Just that Galactus has more in the tank. Even then the fight doesn't look to be over.


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I'm not gonna sit here and try and argue that Odin won that exchange, but that wasn't the big point of the fight.

Everyone knew going in Galactus > Odin. What the fight was gonna show was how big of a margin it was. From the fight itself it wasn't a vast one.

Odin was able to cause Galactus to strain in a TP battle, and was able to stun him and hurt him.

That's very telling.

Like I said everyone knew Galactus > Odin but this fight showed that it wasn't that large and in fact seemed pretty even. Just that Galactus has more in the tank. Even then the fight doesn't look to be over.


If that was the point of the fight, then this is yet another thing Marvel needs to clarify. Galactus is supposed to be above Celestials in power, as shown in the Thanos Imperative arc, yet he struggles with Odin, whom the Celestials have completely tooled in spite of the Destroyer armor?

I'd really like Marvel be more consistent.


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If that was the point of the fight, then this is yet another thing Marvel needs to clarify. Galactus is supposed to be above Celestials in power, as shown in the Thanos Imperative arc, yet he struggles with Odin, whom the Celestials have completely tooled in spite of the Destroyer armor?

I'd really like Marvel be more consistent.
do u have scans where it says that big g is more powerful than the celestials? not arguing against it just want to know where it says it.


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do u have scans where it says that big g is more powerful than the celestials? not arguing against it just want to know where it says it.


I think he just means Galactus' showing vs the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse during the Thanos Imperative. A group of Cosmics were fighting it including : Aegis, Teneberous, Galactus, and a couple of Celestials. During that fight, Aegis died and it looks like the rest of the Cosmics fled or got bored with fighting the Engine leaving Galactus to fight off the thing by himself.

To my knowledge it doesn't say anywhere on panel that Galactus > a Celestial.


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I think he just means Galactus' showing vs the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse during the Thanos Imperative. A group of Cosmics were fighting it including : Aegis, Teneberous, Galactus, and a couple of Celestials. During that fight, Aegis died and it looks like the rest of the Cosmics fled or got bored with fighting the Engine leaving Galactus to fight off the thing by himself.

To my knowledge it doesn't say anywhere on panel that Galactus > a Celestial.
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These are the beings gathered to fight off the Engine :
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This is the end result :
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I wonder what did happen to the rest of the Cosmics though.


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It has no mention that they were defeated or something? Not cool. >_< Idk even what to assume...I cant see them all just having been beaten and galactus being the last one standing.


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It has no mention that they were defeated or something? Not cool. >_< Idk even what to assume...I cant see them all just having been beaten and galactus being the last one standing.


Considering it was a universe-threatening invasion, it could only really be assumed that they were either killed or fled because they were scared shitless.


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Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not gonna sit here and try and argue that Odin won that exchange, but that wasn't the big point of the fight.

Everyone knew going in Galactus > Odin. What the fight was gonna show was how big of a margin it was. From the fight itself it wasn't a vast one.

Odin was able to cause Galactus to strain in a TP battle, and was able to stun him and hurt him.

That's very telling.

Like I said everyone knew Galactus > Odin but this fight showed that it wasn't that large and in fact seemed pretty even. Just that Galactus has more in the tank. Even then the fight doesn't look to be over.
I think that most people going in would think that Galactus who wasn't going all-out would appear superior to an Odin who didn't completely go all-out. Which is a common ploy by writers to keep readers who are on both sides complacent. Illustrative example? The current Surfer/Thor fight.

Galactus who wasn't going all-out was superior to a prepped Odin going all-out. Hard to argue against that.

Let's just say that if you had a bunch of Galactus' standing around and an Odin in Destroyer armor borrowing strength from other Skyfathers, a result happening that is largely akin to that from Thor #300 shouldn't be all that surprising to you.


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If that was the point of the fight, then this is yet another thing Marvel needs to clarify. Galactus is supposed to be above Celestials in power, as shown in the Thanos Imperative arc, yet he struggles with Odin, whom the Celestials have completely tooled in spite of the Destroyer armor?

I'd really like Marvel be more consistent.


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Considering it was a universe-threatening invasion, it could only really be assumed that they were either killed or fled because they were scared shitless.


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The implication was pretty clear to me as well; Galactus was beyond all the other cosmics who battled the Galactus Engine...


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Considering it was a universe-threatening invasion, it could only really be assumed that they were either killed or fled because they were scared shitless.


I'm not 100% sold on the idea that G was the only one left standing. Sure, he was the only one shown on panel, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Surfer only mentioned him, but that's easily explained by Surfer's connection.

Dunno, if anyone can provide decent evidence proving Galactus was the only one left there I'd be interested to hear it.


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I'm not 100% sold on the idea that G was the only one left standing. Sure, he was the only one shown on panel, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Surfer only mentioned him, but that's easily explained by Surfer's connection.

Dunno, if anyone can provide decent evidence proving Galactus was the only one left there I'd be interested to hear it.


Galactus is the only other Cosmic everyone else mentioned. Surfer suggested it was all up to Galactus, Karnak advised Gladiator to send Shi'ar and Kree fleets to back up Galactus, and Medusa offered to send the Nova Corps to aid Galactus.

No sign or mention of any Celestials or Tenebrous anywhere, so I think it's pretty clear Galactus was the last man standing.


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^ Easily explained by those characters thinking Galactus was leading the other cosmics or Galactus being the only one whose name they knew


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^ Easily explained by those characters thinking Galactus was leading the other cosmics or Galactus being the only one whose name they knew

Surfer definitely knows who Tenebrous is. And while they might not know them by name, all of those characters know what a Celestial is. They referred to the the entire group facing the Galactus Engine as High Abstracts early on in the fight, and yet only mention Galactus near the end. Even when the Galactus Engine is destroyed, only Galactus is seen.


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Surfer definitely knows who Tenebrous is. And while they might not know them by name, all of those characters know what a Celestial is. They referred to the the entire group facing the Galactus Engine as High Abstracts early on in the fight, and yet only mention Galactus near the end. Even when the Galactus Engine is destroyed, only Galactus is seen.


Meh. They kept calling them abstracts. I think that's proof that either the characters don't know, or the writer doesn't know.


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Meh. They kept calling them abstracts. I think that's proof that either the characters don't know, or the writer doesn't know.


Well they certainly weren't going to give them a team name, now were they? More than likely laziness or ignorance on the writer's part.


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^ Easily explained by those characters thinking Galactus was leading the other cosmics or Galactus being the only one whose name they knew


I personally think it's rather telling, in the beginning all the Abstracts stand together facing the Galactus engine, later (as also mentioned) no other Abstracts is seen. However to be fair there was a mention of other beings emerging behind the Galactus Engine so it's likely that the Celestials broke off the engagement to focus on the other beings and Surfers comment would then relate to no other Abstracts being able to fight the Galactus engine at that point of time. It can be viewed in both ways imo. However what can't really be discussed is how Galactus is perceived in regards to the Celestials (at least by that writer) so it's a very muddy image atm.


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I personally think it's rather telling, in the beginning all the Abstracts stand together facing the Galactus engine, later (as also mentioned) no other Abstracts is seen. However to be fair there was a mention of other beings emerging behind the Galactus Engine so it's likely that the Celestials broke off the engagement to focus on the other beings and Surfers comment would then relate to no other Abstracts being able to fight the Galactus engine at that point of time. It can be viewed in both ways imo. However what can't really be discussed is how Galactus is perceived in regards to the Celestials (at least by that writer) so it's a very muddy image atm.


Don't get me wrong, I think Galactus was the last man standing. I just wouldn't be surprised if that assumption was wrong.


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Don't get me wrong, I think Galactus was the last man standing. I just wouldn't be surprised if that assumption was wrong.


Fair enough smile

I was just mentioning another scenario, that based on what we have been told about the confrontation imo also is likely.


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