DarkSaint85
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But Superman has his pre Flashpoint feats.
Steam rolling Imperiex probes, for example.
And it's not a preference. Weapon H nearly shish kabobed him until the sun went down. He was running in terror.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 05:21 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
It diverted the sun light in other areas and it's not even a great ft since the sun is his weakness.
That's why he actually hid the sun by his shadows? So much for the weakness quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily. Superman doesnt have a solid win under his belt. People like Frankenstein have stalemated and actually koed him. Author have given him fits. Damage, etc... etc... if we are using combat showing, Hulk would probably cave his head in during the first blow.
In one hand we have a character taking on teams, cracking Herald skulls, damaging a high end tier being that could only be stopped by Wanda amping a stacked team. Brushing through a team of Avengers. One punching the new Ghost rider. Hulk could literally drain Supes of his energy. Until Superman starts doing something at least kind of decent, THEN this can be a fight, but until then, he needs to pull at least a win against someone with credibility. Hulk would take on Superman AND the JLA at this point.
Hulk is below the likes of Hal Jordan in formidablilty who Superman actually oneshotted.
Hal would push Hulk's shit in currently, forget about Superman.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 05:25 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Superman has his pre Flashpoint feats.
Steam rolling Imperiex probes, for example.
And it's not a preference. Weapon H nearly shish kabobed him until the sun went down. He was running in terror.
Thor has his classic fts as well but no one looks at them... lol. We want to see that recent stuff, buddy.
Because of preference. We've seen this Hulk in the sun.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 07:10 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why he actually hid the sun by his shadows? So much for the weakness
Hulk is below the likes of Hal Jordan in formidablilty who Superman actually oneshotted.
Hal would push Hulk's shit in currently, forget about Superman.
Lol... the sun is his weakness. It's like someone bathing Superman in kryptonite and people calling it a fair win.
Lol... Hal would get punked by Hulk and when did Superman take out Hal? Didnt I just tell you Hulk have shown he could fight the entire JLA and probably come out on top. That's including Hal. I'm basing this primarily off of showings in comics that people tend to ignore.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 07:13 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
None of those guys can output solar rads though?
And none of the guys Superman has fought (remember, Rebirth is pre Flashpoint Superman - mod ruling) had the weakness Hulk has.
Context, Carver.
It's a bit weird since stars produce gamma rays. For all we know the Hulk may actually amp Superman, and Superman may amp Hulk lol. I hate arguing these two against each other. They're in my top five favorite characters. Leo just had to go there.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 07:45 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by leonidas
yeah the sunlight weakness is lame and ends one of the classic arguments i guess.... anyway, let's change to hotm hulk. (i'll see if galan or pr can edit the title to reflect the change.)
HOTM Hulk would exploit Supermans weakness to fists.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 07:52 PM
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Hulk ruins Superman. The poor guy was equal to Damage and Damage is a "poor mans Hulk".
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Feb 23rd, 2019 08:45 PM
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Frankenstein also had an amazing showing against Supes and he would be complete fodder to Immortal Hulk. Aquaman and Mera did extremely well. Immortal Hulk could literally stand in one spot and allow Aquaman to punch on him with no effect (remember, Jane Thor AND Hercules couldn't even budge Hulk who had recently got his power absorbed by Rogue. Cant say they were weak because in the same issue, they moved planetary weight. Herc even managed to hurt his hand punching Hulk).
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Feb 23rd, 2019 08:52 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Thor has his classic fts as well but no one looks at them... lol. We want to see that recent stuff, buddy.
Because of preference. We've seen this Hulk in the sun.
Thor is not Superman.
It's a mod ruling that all of Superman's feats count. Want me to get them involved again?
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Feb 23rd, 2019 10:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by leonidas
clearly i did not intend to have the sunlight weakness used, because, well, that would lead to a wasted thread and engender no discussion. Edited the OP.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 10:51 PM
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Without the sunlight weakness, within the limited space, no BFR, I can see Hulk taking a few wins
6/10 Superman.
Superman still has his insane speed advantage, the higher base stats.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 11:04 PM
carver9
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor is not Superman.
It's a mod ruling that all of Superman's feats count. Want me to get them involved again?
Who said anything about them not counting? What I said was, Thor have some BEASTLY classic showings but gets ignored due to his recent showings. You seem like a smart guy. You should understand what I am saying here. You digging all the way back to early 2000 and 1990's to make this fight interesting is kinda funny and speaks volumes on the portrayal of both characters.
Hulk stomps.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 11:40 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about them not counting? What I said was, Thor have some BEASTLY classic showings but gets ignored due to his recent showings. You seem like a smart guy. You should understand what I am saying here. You digging all the way back to early 2000 and 1990's to make this fight interesting is kinda funny and speaks volumes on the portrayal of both characters.
Hulk stomps.
Yes, because current Thor is weakened. We have had this conversation before. I posted the scans, then you mysteriously disappeared?
Not digging. It's literally the same character.
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Feb 23rd, 2019 11:42 PM
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For curiosity, why do you think current Thor is weakened? Only because the sequence of low showings or something more?
Feb 24th, 2019 12:05 AM
carver9
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, because current Thor is weakened. We have had this conversation before. I posted the scans, then you mysteriously disappeared?
Not digging. It's literally the same character.
So a weakened Thor physically stalemated a Jane Thor who ripped through an enchanted Adamantium door? A weakened Thor punched a being from one side of the planet to the other? Nothing dictates Thor physical prowess disappearing. Keep clinging to those early 2000 fts. Still doesnt help you here since I can post showings of beings far inferior to Hulk either stalemating or beating Superman, Mr. Imperiex Probes.
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Feb 24th, 2019 12:09 AM
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Superman 7/10. Hulk is not quite there yet.
Feb 24th, 2019 12:11 AM
carver9
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
Superman 7/10. Hulk is not quite there yet.
Quite where?
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Feb 24th, 2019 12:17 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by eaebiakuya
For curiosity, why do you think current Thor is weakened? Only because the sequence of low showings or something more?
Because of his own words to BRB.
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Feb 24th, 2019 12:35 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
So a weakened Thor physically stalemated a Jane Thor who ripped through an enchanted Adamantium door? A weakened Thor punched a being from one side of the planet to the other? Nothing dictates Thor physical prowess disappearing. Keep clinging to those early 2000 fts. Still doesnt help you here since I can post showings of beings far inferior to Hulk either stalemating or beating Superman, Mr. Imperiex Probes.
His own words, can't get any clearer.
Those less than planetary probes . Go back and read the comic another five times
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