FrankenCastle vs Deadpool

Originally posted by SamZED
Speed is a big factor here, concidering Deadpool is faster than Frank. Being able to keep up is one thing, matching someone in a fight is another, Deadpool can keep up with Spider-man but he cnt fight him h2h. As for Frankencastle we'll have to wait for more showings, for now all he's done was slice some ninja from behind and barely took another ninja after a hard fight, the kind of ninjas Deadpool cuts to pieces with his eyes closed without paying much attention. As for SK you keep saying that it proves that Frank can match DP h2h, i keep telling you that Deadpool didn't want and wasn't really fighting him judging by the comic, so lets just agree to disagree, cause tbh im tired of the debate.

I told you 100 times you are exaggerating. Stop making excuses.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
@deadline

yes he did.

iirc punisher was on a roof waiting to sniper shoot some guy that matt was representing. DD showed up on the roof and started talking smack.. Punisher couldnt hear him since he was wearing some kinda ear plugs in order to protect himself from the high pitch sound he rigged the roof with..

Frank let DD finish talking and then told DD to bring it on. Frank said in his inner monologue that he let DD takes his shots b/c its not like he could beat him anyways..... he then activated the high pitch tech to disorient DD and then ko'ed him.

His exact words were he didnt stand a chance and it means absolutely nothing because later on in the series he beat DD. Word dont mean anything if they contar

Originally posted by Deadline
I told you 100 times you are exaggerating. Stop making excuses.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wasn't making any, was just stating the obvious.

we all know that frankencastle speed feats are superior to all of DP's speed feats. 😛

frankencastle can see and keep track of DP when DP tries to disappear for a speed blitz sword swipe. 🤣 😱

Deadpool would so pawn frank as wild card

http://www.imagebam.com/image/dd1e2781207850/

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
obviously.

we all know that frankencastle speed feats are superior to all of DP's speed feats. 😛

Yeah thats exactly what we said. Oh no we didn't, try READING.

Originally posted by SamZED
I can say that the guy beat Wolverine several times,

Originally posted by SamZED
dominated Sabertooth in a fight twice,

they fought, frank was no only unarmed, he was off his pills (meaning slower and stupider) and he was owning deadpool. Frank for the majority.

current wade with his armor pawns frank for the majority 10/10

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
current wade with his armor pawns frank for the majority 10/10

Originally posted by Trackz
what suggests he was at his top speed? the fact that he was able to keep up with deadpool is no indication that he was at his top speed, merely that he doesn't need his top speed to keep up with deadpool. Have you read any of the frankencastle arc to say he hasn't displayed speed like that before? he was blitzing entire armies of zombies, and sliced a samrai in half so fast the samurai thought he had missed. Frankencastle wasn't displaying any of his top end speed.

Originally posted by jinzin
You CAN but that'd be ignoring context of what actually happened.

Originally posted by jinzin

No he didn't... second fight he got curbed and got luccky with the goo arm tactic, third fight he was just staying away from Creed and he even admitted that wouldn't last forever.

I had a look at these scans they are impressive but its not that big a deal.

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/scan0005.png/
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9979/scan0006.png

In the scans above he mostly dodges Black Goliath and Hercules and holds off Cap with a gun. The thing is when you fight mutiple people they get in each others way. You're not suggesting that DP could speedblitz Captain America? Punisher has a less impressive but a comparable feat when he fought the Deadly Dozen. I can't be arsed to scan them.

This is very impressive.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7282/deadpool180019.png
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6849/deadpool180020.png

But this is arguably even better. Punisher has been caught dead to rights and is sitting on his arse. He didn't expect to run out of bullets. Eventhough there are more people in the DP scan that looks like a traning session.

Im not saying that Punisher is faster than DP or as fast but this speed advantage you are talking about is exaggerted.

Originally posted by SamZED
Are you saying that Frank was SLOW but still was able to keep up with Deadpool who was at his 100%? And what if Frank ate the pills? What would've happened then? He would've been running circles around Deadpool in your opinion? Speedblitzing him? When Frank (any version of Frank) has EVER displayed that kind of speed? The fact that he managed to catch Deadpool's attack midair already was a level of speed FC has never shoed before. Cutting a ninja from behind isnt even close to that.
There's no point comparing speed feats really. Deadpool has sliced GROUPS of people so fast they didnt even realise he did it until their limbs fell off, He's blitzed groups of superheroes, killed superhumans so fast they didnt notice him move, dodged bullets at pointblank range, dodged a snipershot and reappered on top of the sniper just as the bullet reached the place where he was originally standing, moved so fast a group of superheroes couldnt track his movement. Suggesting that a slowed down Frank can possible keep up with Deadpool (unless Deadpool himself isnt at 100% which was the case) is a wishfull thinking. Not to mention the moment the effect of the pills wore off the next thing we saw was Frank pinned down to a table by Deadpool, so yes im pretty sure Deadpool did outmanuver him when he was back to normal.

Im just being honest with you and im being civil. A lot of your arguments boil down to I don't Like It Didn't Happen, which is why you stated in a previous post the writer actually wrote Punisher at top speed despite the fact he didn't have his pills. Every serious fight that FC has had he wasn't at his best and stated he needed his pills. Its highly unlikely that the writer missed that point. In all honesty your assuming that the writer forgot that because if he didn't that means DP would get his arse kicked.

Nobody is saying that Punisher is as fast as DP but the fact of the matter is slower opponents who are still very fast can keep up with superhumans with skill. The problem you have is that Punisher has shown to keep up with superhumans even when hes not at his best. Lets go through a list.

A slowed Frankencastle fought Hellsgard. Hellsgard may not be superhuman but he had no problem tagging Morbius who has superhuman speed.

A sleep deprived Punisher has dodged Spiderman.

After going through a gauntlet of superhumans Punisher was fast enough to fight Aloysha Kravinoff. Aloysha has beaten Black Panther and held his own against Spiderman, hes also beaten the Human Torch.

After getting beaten up by The Hood and his croonies and having a broken leg he managed to evade a suprise attack from Daken who also has superhuman speed.

Originally posted by Deadline
Im just being honest with you and im being civil. A lot of your arguments boil down to I don't Like It Didn't Happen, which is why you stated in a previous post the writer actually wrote Punisher at top speed despite the fact he didn't have his pills. Every serious fight that FC has had he wasn't at his best and stated he needed his pills. Its highly unlikely that the writer missed that point. In all honesty your assuming that the writer forgot that because if he didn't that means DP would get his arse kicked.

Nobody is saying that Punisher is as fast as DP but the fact of the matter is slower opponents who are still very fast can keep up with superhumans with skill. The problem you have is that Punisher has shown to keep up with superhumans even when hes not at his best. Lets go through a list.

A slowed Frankencastle fought Hellsgard. Hellsgard may not be superhuman but he had no problem tagging Morbius who has superhuman speed.

A sleep deprived Punisher has dodged Spiderman.

After going through a gauntlet of superhumans Punisher was fast enough to fight Aloysha Kravinoff. Aloysha has beaten Black Panther and held his own against Spiderman, hes also beaten the Human Torch.

After getting beaten up by The Hood and his croonies and having a broken leg he managed to evade a suprise attack from Daken who also has superhuman speed.

EDIT: That wasnt a training session, the x-men were actually trying to put Deadpool down thinking he's about to assasinate someone, while Deadpool was just puting up a show for the camera. He was holding back. Logan was the only one who figured that out that's why he wasnt helping.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2199/deadpool180016.png

Originally posted by SamZED
I only have a problem with Trackz suggesting that a slowed down Frankencastle is too fast for Deadpool

I don't think thats what Trackz is saying. DP didn't get his arse kicked because Fc was too fast it was a combination of factors. FC was also too strong and durable combine that with the fact that DP wasn't too fast there was nothing DP could do.

Originally posted by SamZED
who was at his 100% (which he clearly wasn't)

Do you have proof? Please don't tell me your proof itself is that DP was getting his arse kicked.

Originally posted by SamZED

You have to agree that saying such thing - understimating Deadpool's speed.
Also DP isnt just any meta. So Frank would definitely have to be at his best to be able to keep up with Deadpool speedwise (unless DP himself isnt at his best which was the case). I think that's fair.

Im afraid it isn't. The fact of the matter is that Frank has made a career out of hanging with superhumans while being Fed up, hes even been described as being supernatural. Anyway I already gave you a list of people that Punisher has managed to hold his own while not being at his best.

Originally posted by SamZED

EDIT: No, that wasnt a training session, the x-men were actually trying to put Deadpool down thinking he's about to assasinate someone, while Deadpool was just puting up a show for the camera. He was holding back.

Ok fair enough.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think thats what Trackz is saying. DP didn't get his arse kicked because Fc was too fast it was a combination of factors. FC was also too strong and durable combine that with the fact that DP wasn't too fast there was nothing DP could do.

Originally posted by Deadline

He wasn't, got any proof? Please don't tell me your proof itself is that DP was getting his arse kicked.

Originally posted by Deadline

Im afraid it isn't. The fact of the matter is that Frank has made a career out of hgning with superhumans while being Fed up, hes even been described as being supernatural. His willpower is so strong he just manages to pull it off. Anyway I already give you a list of people that Punisher has managed to hold his own while not being at his best.

Originally posted by SamZED
But that's exactly what he was saying.

No he isn't, hes saying its enough.

Originally posted by SamZED
Also the fact that he lost most of his weapons and didnt use others like explosives for the sake of the story.

There are lots of examples of him not using explosives he was also using stuff that was more powerful than his regular equipment eg chainsaw and flamethrower.

Originally posted by SamZED

And the fact that Deadpool did beat Frank the moment the his HF took care of the pills.

No, the fact that Deadpool said it himself and it was later confirmed by Morbius.

I want proof. You also said that DP ran at FC with his gun and that the writer wrote FC at full speed.

Originally posted by SamZED

Frank held his own against other metas so he can keep up with Deadpool while being slower than usual even though Deadpool is faster than him? Sorry, man but I dont agree with that kind of logic. Deadpool as well has demontrated that he can outmanuver people much faster than Frank even when he's not at 100%, so it works both ways. All im saying in order to keep up with Deadpool Frank needs to be at his full speed, while Trackz is suggesting that a slowed down Frank is too fast for Deadpool. Dont you think im being more reasonable here?

No you're not being reasonable at all. Basically the point is if Frank has been able to keep up with other superhumans while not being 100% he should be able to do it with DP. Thats makes perfect logic your saying it doesn't make any sense when it does. Im sorry your just ignoring the point because you don't like what it implies.

Originally posted by Deadline
No he isn't, hes saying its enough.

There are lots of examples of him not using explosives he was also using stuff that was more powerful than his regular equipment eg chainsaw and flamethrower.

I want proof. You also said that DP ran at FC with his gun and that the writer wrote FC at full speed.

No you're not being reasonable at all. Basically the point is if Frank has been able to keep up with other superhumans while not being 100% he should be able to do it with DP. Thats makes perfect logic your saying it doesn't make any sense when it does. Im sorry your just ignoring the point because you don't like what it implies.

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Originally posted by Deadline
No he isn't, hes saying its enough.

Originally posted by Deadline

There are lots of examples of him not using explosives he was also using stuff that was more powerful than his regular equipment eg chainsaw and flamethrower.

Originally posted by Deadline

I want proof. You also said that DP ran at FC with his gun and that the writer wrote FC at full speed.

Originally posted by Deadline

No you're not being reasonable at all. Basically the point is if Frank has been able to keep up with other superhumans while not being 100% he should be able to do it with DP. Thats makes perfect logic your saying it doesn't make any sense when it does. Im sorry your just ignoring the point because you don't like what it implies.

Originally posted by SamZED
He says it enough for Frank to outreact Deadpool. Doesnt make it right .

Yes it does because it baked up with proof.

Originally posted by SamZED

But both chainsaw and flamethrower are less effective in this particular situation than granades would've been, so him using them (must be the first time EVER he's used a flamethrower and the second time chainsaw) instead of granades that he carries around all the time doesnt make much sense.

So you've forgotten all the hundreds of time hes sticks to h2h,sword or his handgun. So you're focusing on his grenades when he uses them for the minority? I know hes used greanades before but I've read DP and been to his respect thread I actually haven't seen one example of him using grenades.

Originally posted by SamZED

And I was right, look at the scan, he took off his coat and charged leaving the coat behind him while holding his gun (instead of just shooting, another stupidity for the sake of plot) while Frank didnt make a single step and stopped DP's charge by grabbing him by the neck.

Ok your right but its not like he hasn't done shit like that before and it wouldn't have done anything.

Originally posted by SamZED
If anything there's no proof to indicate that Frank was slowing down (other than the "he was supposed to" which isnt good enough), he was in controle enough to make funny comebacks. Only on the very last pic he went berserk which again didnt seem to slow him down at all. The writer simply ignored it.

No no no no. You are assuming that he wasn't slower just to make yourself feel better. FC has had only several fights and every one he stated that he was slow because he didn't have his pills. You don't think the writer didn't read it? Hell I even saw it being discussed on a random forum.

Originally posted by SamZED

As for proofs Deadpool extra voice "you dont look so hot. was it something you ate?" he also says that he might end up getting "murdered" as a "side effect" of eating those pills. Then he says outloud "I dont feel well, what's IN those pills", And then Morbius confirms "they will help HIM, but if YOU eat them again you will AGAIN feel VERY sick." Good enough?

Fair enough but this is what they usually do in comics they create circumstances for both heroes.

Originally posted by SamZED

Sorry, but you're looking at it from Frank's point of view and ignore other character's feats. Basically you go by - Frank can keep up with some metas so you think he can keep up with Deadpool while not even being at 100% and that logic doesnt work.

Let see if I can get this straight the fact that Punisher has been able to hang with Daken, Spiderman and Aloysha Kravinoff while not being 100% is null and void because, because what? Hell Spiderman is arguably faster than DP. Hell you haven't even given a reason why it doesn't work, you just said it doesn't.

Originally posted by SamZED

Deadpool himself was shown to be too fast for people with speed level way ABOVE Frank's top speed even when Wade was not at 100%. So this A>B>C logic works both ways.
For example, Taskmaster. He punked Spider-man twice in a fight. He has bullet deflecting and bullet CATCHING feats, so he's definitely faster than Frank. Yet, he wasn't shown to be too fast for Deadpool even when Wade's hands and LEGS were cuffed together.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4964/tm4.png
and this
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4845/tm6u.png
Taskmaster wasn't too fast for a handicapped Deadpool but a slowed down Frank would?Bsed on.. what? Him doing well against some other metas? Sorry, but that's anything but reasonable.

Taskmaster isn't way faster than Punisher though is he? Its not ABC logic both of us are comparing speed feats. How else do you want to prove our case? Basically your saying that your feats are valid and mine aren't because you dont like it. To be quite honest with you thats a bad shwoing for TM.

Hell heres another one. Heres Punisher dodging Wolverine and Punisher has spefically stated that hes tired. Is DP faster than Wolverine now?

http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punvswolverineinjungle1.jpg