Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So where did you got Darkseid dragging the entire Multiverse was due to a chain reaction?He become a singularity and dragging the entire multiverse, What made you think is a chain reaction?
Basic reading comprehension is where I got it.
Cool though whatever, agree to disagree
Agree ivory Kings are overrated also though
Originally posted by TheHulkster
So you're saying they do poorly against Thor level beings, yet we'll against multiversal beings, thus Darkseid would stomp? That puts Darkseid at Thor and Hype level then. Of course, getting stomped by Superman, Orion, Doomsday and the Bat Kick supports this.And as much as some try to argue, one cannot conclude that the three universe destroying Beyonders are the same ones who faced the Avengers. After all, the latter are specifically referred to as "manifestations".
They also look different,to me.
Originally posted by BestEverNoob
I think I'm missing something here.Admittedly my knowledge of DC isn't the best, but how the heck is Darkseid matching up against guys who stomped Eternity and Infinity when he goes down to freaking Superman.
Is this a different Darkseid or something?
The DS being mentioned is the one who, as he fell, was dragging the whole of the multiverse down with him.
This was when he fell down some stairs, mind
Originally posted by BestEverNoobBecause a pissed off Superman finds a way to clobber all those guys in comics.
I think I'm missing something here.Admittedly my knowledge of DC isn't the best, but how the heck is Darkseid matching up against guys who stomped Eternity and Infinity when he goes down to freaking Superman.
Is this a different Darkseid or something?
Darkseid is a multiversal threat. Many of Superman's enemies are in the galaxy/universal/multiversal level.
Originally posted by BestEverNoob
I think I'm missing something here.Admittedly my knowledge of DC isn't the best, but how the heck is Darkseid matching up against guys who stomped Eternity and Infinity when he goes down to freaking Superman.
Is this a different Darkseid or something?
The same can be argue as how they would beat Darkness when a slew of them fell to Thor and Hyperion so easily.
I've seen several cats misinterpreting that Thor and Hyperion scene.
Thor and Hyperion were getting curbstomped by ONE Beyonder,
they were literally about to die at the hands of that ONE Beyonder
before Starbrand explosion interrupted the ONE Beyonnder.
That ONE Beyonder got his face obliterated by Thor's hammer,
and without emotion or hesitation that ONE Beyonder effortlessly repaired itself instantly.
That ONE Beyonder easily ripped Thor's arm off,
when it could've just as easily rips off his head, which is connected to softer tissue, bone, muscle.
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So, it's laughable if anyone really thinks either Thor or Hyperion actually hurt ANY Beyonder
in the overkill scene.
They were beat up and near death, and yall think they fared better against an army,
when they couldn't even faze ONE?
Overkill! ... EVEN if Thor/Hyperion manage to physically hurt
the vulnerable forms of the first BeyonderS to rush them,
as proven prior, they can easily repair their m-bodies.
So no Beyonder got lasting damage there, and that's it.
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The OTHER Beyonder that did nothing, literally, it did, nothing! (nor defend or attack)
Just stood there like an idiot waiting to be warped by Ex-Nihilis.
That was hilarious.
Originally posted by TheHulksterthe ivory kings that fought the cosmic beings are the same ones who fought the avengers. anyone who read the comics knows this.
So you're saying they do poorly against Thor level beings, yet we'll against multiversal beings, thus Darkseid would stomp? That puts Darkseid at Thor and Hype level then. Of course, getting stomped by Superman, Orion, Doomsday and the Bat Kick supports this.And as much as some try to argue, one cannot conclude that the three universe destroying Beyonders are the same ones who faced the Avengers. After all, the latter are specifically referred to as "manifestations".
Originally posted by Mr Masterwhy didnt you post the final scans where thor and hyperion are tearing apart a bunch of ivory kings in droves lmao? **** the gods, you really are one of the most biased people i have ever seen on any board ever.and im from CV lol.
[BI've seen several cats misinterpreting that Thor and Hyperion scene.Thor and Hyperion were getting curbstomped by ONE Beyonder,
they were literally about to die at the hands of that ONE Beyonder
before Starbrand explosion interrupted the ONE Beyonnder.That ONE Beyonder got his face obliterated by Thor's hammer,
and without emotion or hesitation that ONE Beyonder effortlessly repaired itself instantly.That ONE Beyonder easily ripped Thor's arm off,
when it could've just as easily rips off his head, which is connected to softer tissue, bone, muscle.-------------------------------------------------------
So, it's laughable if anyone really thinks either Thor or Hyperion actually hurt ANY Beyonder
in the overkill scene.They were beat up and near death, and yall think they fared better against an army,
when they couldn't even faze ONE?Overkill! ... EVEN if Thor/Hyperion manage to physically hurt
the vulnerable forms of the first BeyonderS to rush them,
as proven prior, they can easily repair their m-bodies.So no Beyonder got lasting damage there, and that's it.
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The OTHER Beyonder that did nothing, literally, it did, nothing! (nor defend or attack)
Just stood there like an idiot waiting to be warped by Ex-Nihilis.
That was hilarious. [/B]
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXThis much, at least, is true. I've posted all this stuff before, but yeah, they are literally the exact same Beyonders -- the artists(ie. Kev Walker and Mike Deodato) simply drew them differently between issues.
the ivory kings that fought the cosmic beings are the same ones who fought the avengers.
At the end of NA #31, the two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers in their 'classic' forms:
-Art by Kev Walker
In the very next issue(NA #32), those exact same two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers when the scene is fully fleshed out... Only this time they are depicted as Transformer knockoffs:
-Art by Mike Deodato
Additionally, Owen specifically referred to those Transformer-esque beings as the Beyonder 'adult' units:
-Art by Mike Deodato
...As in, those are the most powerful beings the race had to offer.
This is obviously very similar to how Pym had previously described the 'classic' Beyonders who wiped out the hierarchy:
-Art by Dalibor Talajic
tl;dr
SAME Beyonders. Different artistic depiction(s).
Artistic difference or not, there is absolutely no proof that those are literally the same three that destroy the cosmics. The only thing that is shown is that one artist depicts all Beyonder manifestations similarly and another depicts them very differently.
Even with the similar ones, one has three eyes, which neither of the cosmic killers have. The specific Beyonders that face the Avengers are manifested for that particular purpose.
Originally posted by Galan007👆👆
This much, at least, is true. I've posted all this stuff before, but yeah, they are literally the exact same Beyonders -- the artists(ie. Kev Walker and Mike Deodato) simply drew them differently between issues.At the end of NA #31, the two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers in their 'classic' forms:
-Art by [b]Kev WalkerIn the very next issue(NA #32), those exact same two Beyonders are shown confronting the Multiversal Avengers when the scene is fully fleshed out... Only this time they are depicted as Transformer knockoffs:
-Art by Mike DeodatoAdditionally, Owen specifically referred to those Transformer-esque beings as the Beyonder 'adult' units:
-Art by Mike Deodato
...As in, those are the most powerful beings the race had to offer.
This is obviously very similar to how Pym had previously described the 'classic' Beyonders who wiped out the hierarchy:
-Art by Dalibor Talajic
tl;dr
SAME Beyonders. Different artistic depiction(s). [/B]
nothing says that the ivory kings who fought the avengers were less powerful then the ones who fought the cosmic beings.the only thing they said is that the adult ivory kings are more powerful then the child ivory kings. and the ivory kings who fought the avengers and cosmics were all adults.
what they look like doesnt mean anything. pym even says- "universally adaptive.harmonically transitional. these things cannot be fully comprehended in a human fashion".
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Artistic difference or not, there is absolutely no proof that those are literally the same three that destroy the cosmics.
"I could see the same battle in different realities. In each one, a different Beyonder facing and destroying the Celestial host."
But if you want to argue that the Beyonders that got their asses kicked by the Avengers were Doombots then the burden of proof is on you. Because we're never lead to believe that there's a great discrepancy in power between the Beyonders in the story.
Originally posted by Astner
There was a Beyonder in each reality."I could see the same battle in different realities. In each one, a different Beyonder facing and destroying the Celestial host."
But if you want to argue that the Beyonders that got their asses kicked by the Avengers were Doombots then the burden of proof is on you. Because we're never lead to believe that there's a great discrepancy in power between the Beyonders in the story.
The vast difference in performance is my proof. What is your counter?We see possibly hundreds of beyonder manifestations pouring out and the ones shown are specifically referred to as manifestations. This shows that Beyonder manifestations can be produced immediately and one cannot conclude that any one is another and one cannot conclude that they are all equal.
So how the manifestations perform against the Avengers is moot as it relates to the three who battle the cosmics.
Originally posted by TheHulksterbut thats not proof theyre different beings with defferent levels of power. youre just pointing out their high and low showings.
The vast difference in performance is my proof.
you need to post actual proof that the "adults" who fought the cosmic beings were more powerful then the "adults" who fought the avengers.
until you can do that everything you said is just bullshit excuses honestly.
Here are the BeyonderS that killed the hierarchy in detail:
(front/middle)
(on the left)
(on the right)
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Here are the two BeyonderS that fought the Avengers:
(behind)
in front)
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The only Beyonder (of the two that fought the Avengers) that resembles the hierarchy killers,
is the front one in both cases. hm
But there's a meticulous detail that differentiates them completely! "up"
The Beyonder that slew the Cosmics, has uniquely shaped hands/forarms.
Unlike our boy who got killed by Starbrand.
Check out his hands/forarms:
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Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but thats not proof theyre different beings with defferent levels of power. youre just pointing out their high and low showings.you need to post actual proof that the "adults" who fought the cosmic beings were more powerful then the "adults" who fought the avengers.
until you can do that everything you said is just bullshit excuses honestly.
That most certainly is proof. You just don’t want to accept it. Along with that is the statement of them being “manifestations “ and the immediate production of hundreds of such manifestations.
Now YOU are making a positive assertion that they are literally the same three cosmic abstract killers. Prove it. You have yet to do so.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I've seen several cats misinterpreting that Thor and Hyperion scene.Thor and Hyperion were getting curbstomped by ONE Beyonder,
they were literally about to die at the hands of that ONE Beyonder
before Starbrand explosion interrupted the ONE Beyonnder.That ONE Beyonder got his face obliterated by Thor's hammer,
and without emotion or hesitation that ONE Beyonder effortlessly repaired itself instantly.That ONE Beyonder easily ripped Thor's arm off,
when it could've just as easily rips off his head, which is connected to softer tissue, bone, muscle.-------------------------------------------------------
So, it's laughable if anyone really thinks either Thor or Hyperion actually hurt ANY Beyonder
in the overkill scene.They were beat up and near death, and yall think they fared better against an army,
when they couldn't even faze ONE?Overkill! ... EVEN if Thor/Hyperion manage to physically hurt
the vulnerable forms of the first BeyonderS to rush them,
as proven prior, they can easily repair their m-bodies.So no Beyonder got lasting damage there, and that's it.
-------------------------------------------------------
The OTHER Beyonder that did nothing, literally, it did, nothing! (nor defend or attack)
Just stood there like an idiot waiting to be warped by Ex-Nihilis.
That was hilarious.
They're also not taking into consideration that plot had to make the hero characters look good. No one, and I mean No one would have been content with the idea of Thor, and to a lesser extent Hyperion getting one shot into blood puddles. PIS was mostly what that scene was about. Anyone that knows anything about the Starbrand knows that a brand user can combat comics, and for it to have been so easily pushed aside should tell you something.
