The Imperiex Probes was powered by Imperiex energy as well and two died by having a space ship rammed into their heads and Doomsday punches killed some, Supergirl and Black Lightning took out one. Wonder Woman took out one, etc, etc...then being powered by Entropy doesnt mean anything in this fight.
This should be closed as a spite thread. WBH wouldn't stand a chance against a non-amped Superman, nevermind a sundipped Superman. Normal Superman's strength feats completely dominate the Hulk's...anyone who doesn't realize that shouldn't be debating about comics in the first place. I honestly can't believe this thread has gone 5 pages.
If you noticed though, Superman was tearing that armor with strength only in most cases, while WW had to resort to weak points. Besides that SM destroyed several probes while WW IIRC she only destroyed one Wonder Woman had a lot of difficulty piercing and damaging the armor of the probe, whereas Superman seperated the armor with ease. Wonder Woman was only capable of destroying the armor by weak point exploit, while SM did it easily
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, just about everyone struggled against the probes, including Superman himself. until Joe Casey took the reigns. Than he tore through them like tissue paper.
Superman, Doomsday and Wonder Woman mother tore through the probes like tissue paper. Did Superman punch any of the probes during the time he fought alongside Doomsday?
Originally posted by carver9
The Hulk that fought Gladiator was weakened to a LARGE extent. Can't use that fight as any evidence and by the way, WWH and WBH are so far above that Hulk that its insane. Heat just doesn't work against the Hulk. This has been demonstrated on numerous of occasions and also stated as well.
Which occassions has this been demonstrated that would be even comparable to superman's HV, much less sun-dipped supes?
Originally posted by carver9
What Heralds has Superman ripped through while ripping a planet and nearby planets as a side effect?
He did better. He pushed a planet that was pushing back using Imperiex as its energy source, while ripping through multiple copies of B13 (some of which were melted by superman's 'aura' for lack of a better word).
Originally posted by carver9
When was it stated that the Brainiac probes was powered by entropy? How much power were the probes releasing or are you just sprouting out stuff?Him pushing a planet isn't a ft I am asking for. What I am saying is, combat wise, I didn't see anything to suggest he could beat this Hulk.
Right below. Imperiex was housed within Brainiac's new warworld. He was using that energy to do everything that he did near the end of OWAW including the act of making probes. I'm surprised that there isn't a B13 respect thread tbh, because he was quite uber.
They were all shown to be every bit as strong as B13's original body, as they were copies of Brainiac's body and faced an unamped superman to much of the same effect as the original. As far as them being fueled by Imperiex, it says it right here:
"This planet is my body! The Imperiex energy is in my blood! Do you truly mean for this gambit to kill me? You cannot hurt me!"
Then again here:
"Brainiac 13, bonded to the Imperiex-effect, you'll survive the big bang just as he [Imperiex] does."
So yeah, they were all bonded to the effect.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Which occassions has this been demonstrated that would be even comparable to superman's HV, much less sun-dipped supes?He did better. He pushed a planet that was pushing back using Imperiex as its energy source, while ripping through multiple copies of B13 (some of which were melted by superman's 'aura' for lack of a better word).
Right below. Imperiex was housed within Brainiac's new warworld. He was using that energy to do everything that he did near the end of OWAW including the act of making probes. I'm surprised that there isn't a B13 respect thread tbh, because he was quite uber.
They were all shown to be every bit as strong as B13's original body, as they were copies of Brainiac's body and faced an unamped superman to much of the same effect as the original. As far as them being fueled by Imperiex, it says it right here:
"This planet is my body! The Imperiex energy is in my blood! Do you truly mean for this gambit to kill me? You cannot hurt me!"
Then again here:
"Brainiac 13, bonded to the Imperiex-effect, you'll survive the big bang just as he [Imperiex] does."
So yeah, they were all bonded to the effect.
Heat doesn't work on Hulk...at all. There is no type of showing that would aid you in this argument. There are numerous of instances...no need for me to explain because that's all you are going to do is compare it to Supes heat vision when again, heat doesn't work against Hulk.
Him pushing a planet the size of Pluto with an unknown amount of energy being poured out "isn't enough to aid in me seeing him overcoming Hulk"....someone that has demonstrated Skyfather level strength and amped to these levels in one panel.
The scan you showed doesn't prove that the Braniac probes were fueled by imperied energy and even if that was the case, that proves nothing yet again since the Imperiex probes was also fulled by Imperiex himself and Doomsday was one shotting numerous of them. If Doomsday can kill off beings that was fueled by Imperiex energy, I see no reason why a Hulk that is FAR stronger than Doomsday shouldn't be able to do it.
The planet was Imperiex energy, the Probes were already there.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman, Doomsday and Wonder Woman mother tore through the probes like tissue paper. Did Superman punch any of the probes during the time he fought alongside Doomsday?
A few scans before this, he rams through one, and the third panel here looks kind of like maybe he's punching the one to his left away.. Except the head is flying off at the wrong angle, unless it wasn't a punch but a backhand? Couldn't really be from Doomsday though, because he's ripping through another one, and the probe's pose would make even less sense for it to have been him..
Originally posted by carver9If you count this:
Did Superman punch any of the probes during the time he fought alongside Doomsday?
...Not to mention this excerpt from that very same book:
In simpler terms: when Supes decided to cut loose, shredding through Probes became child's play.
As for this battle, I always refer back to Superman/Batman when I think about what a sun-amped Supes can do. He went from being decisively below Darkseid, to shredding through him as though he were a weak feeb, just by moving within close proximity of the sun for a matter of seconds. With that in mind, during OWAW not only did Supes throw his 'humanity' completely out the window, subsequently giving him an utter "I don't give a f*ck" attitude, but he also had a proper sun-DIP (ie. he didn't just move close to the sun, he flew into its very core.)
Imo, he would DESTROY Hulk with the former amp. Giving him the latter amp makes this borderline spite.
What kind of heat attacks has Hulk taken?
Supes hv may well be his most damaging attack.. It's hurt characters that were able to stand right next to the sun, and was stated as being hotter than the sun.. Took out Despero in Superman/Batman, and he's a tank. Even in the weaker Byrne days, Mongul Sr claimed Supermans HV could have easily killed him, while he had to struggle to KO him with punches.
Originally posted by carver9
The Imperiex Probes was powered by Imperiex energy as well and two died by having a space ship rammed into their heads and Doomsday punches killed some, Supergirl and Black Lightning took out one. Wonder Woman took out one, etc, etc...then being powered by Entropy doesnt mean anything in this fight.
Clearly, you haven't read OWAW. Two probes were stalemating the JLA until Supes came in. They KOed Classic Kyle, MM, Flash, Plastic man, among others. Maybe you should stop scan-fishing and read, bro. Because the truth is, scans don't tell the whole story.
Originally posted by Galan007
If you count this:...Not to mention this excerpt from that very same book:
In simpler terms: when Supes decided to cut loose, shredding through Probes became child's play.
As for this battle, I always refer back to Superman/Batman when I think about what a sun-amped Supes can do. He went from being decisively below Darkseid, to shredding through him as though he were a weak feeb, just by moving within close proximity of the sun for a matter of seconds. With that in mind, during OWAW not only did Supes throw his 'humanity' completely out the window, subsequently giving him an utter "I don't give a f*ck" attitude, but he also had a proper sun-DIP (ie. he didn't just move close to the sun, he flew into its very core.)
Imo, he would DESTROY Hulk with the former amp. Giving him the latter amp makes this borderline spite.
And if you look at the Kryptonite X run, you can get an idea of how overpowered Supes can get with excess solar energy.
For example, when he faced Bizarro Superman, he brushed his fingers against him trying to get his attention, and it knocked him away as if it was his best haymaker.
Originally posted by Galan007
If you count this:...Not to mention this excerpt from that very same book:
In simpler terms: when Supes decided to cut loose, shredding through Probes became child's play.
As for this battle, I always refer back to Superman/Batman when I think about what a sun-amped Supes can do. He went from being decisively below Darkseid, to shredding through him as though he were a weak feeb, just by moving within close proximity of the sun for a matter of seconds. With that in mind, during OWAW not only did Supes throw his 'humanity' completely out the window, subsequently giving him an utter "I don't give a f*ck" attitude, but he also had a proper sun-DIP (ie. he didn't just move close to the sun, he flew into its very core.)
Imo, he would DESTROY Hulk with the former amp. Giving him the latter amp makes this borderline spite.
You cant just look at one side of this battle. Savage Hulk has ripped through material strong enough to withstand Celestial attacks. Mindless Hulk has ripped through Onslaught armor as if it was tissue paper and the list continues but his strength paled to WWH. WWH koed Zom Strange, held planet Skaar together, was throwing punches so powerful against Extremis it was felt across the planet. Threw punches against Skaar that it was causing planetary destruction, was creating planetary level Earth Quakes by just ramming his ft into the ground...tanked a punch that created a nuclear explosion, thunder clapped a Herald and koed him, almost koed another Herald leveler with a thunderclap...he did this all while being at WWH level and his strength paled in comparison to WBH...the strength gap was so different that WBH himself admitted he was basically just holding back.
Even though the fts youve named are all nice and dandy...its not enough. WWH (not WBH) is arguably stronger than Doomsday and Doomsday was ripping through those probes. I see no reason why Hulk couldn't. The Probes does have nice showings against the JLA but some were also at a different power level than others and have showings that just outright proves that you are overestimating them imo.
This chain doesn't stop though. Hulk was still getting stronger at WBH levels. Superman isn't winning this fight.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Clearly, you haven't read OWAW. Two probes were stalemating the JLA until Supes came in. They KOed Classic Kyle, MM, Flash, Plastic man, among others. Maybe you should stop scan-fishing and read, bro. Because the truth is, scans don't tell the whole story.
I read it and you are ignoring what has also happened to the probes. One was killed by a small blast created by Black Lightning and the General. Two were killed by having a space ship rammed into their heads. Some were weaker than others...that's pretty much plain and clear.
Lol...I read the book buddy.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Superman wins, Hulk is nothing to him.
This is what I see happening -
Hulk punches superman, the planet is wasted, the moon is cracked, the hulk is vaporized and superman YAWNS. Remember there is no wishing well to reform the hulk here.
Or, he superman can use his super speed and is never shown on panel. Hulk stands there with a stupid look duh, where did he go. Next thing you know the hulk is missing an arm, then the other and then his head is twisted off. Hulk dies 10/10
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This should be closed as a spite thread. WBH wouldn't stand a chance against a non-amped Superman, nevermind a sundipped Superman. Normal Superman's strength feats completely dominate the Hulk's...anyone who doesn't realize that shouldn't be debating about comics in the first place. I honestly can't believe this thread has gone 5 pages.
This is the truth!
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, just about everyone struggled against the probes, including Superman himself. until Joe Casey took the reigns. Than he tore through them like tissue paper.
I think this was explained that in order to limit collateral damage, superman wasnt going all out on earth and only did so when he got to outer space away from the earth. This is why he was having such an easier time with them later in the series.
Originally posted by carver9
I read it and you are ignoring what has also happened to the probes. One was killed by a small blast created by Black Lightning and the General. Two were killed by having a space ship rammed into their heads. Some were weaker than others...that's pretty much plain and clear.Lol...I read the book buddy.
A weak blast? It was a nuclear detonation. The nuclear detonation was not intended to destroy the probe, just to crack it so that Black Lightning could use his most powerful attack to destroy it from the inside. Re-read it. Or rather, read it for the first time.
Looking at pictures isn't reading man....
