Doomsday Vs Colossus & Hercules

Bump.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Herc's mace has always been pretty useless, tbh.

Colossus would make a much better weapon - improvised, but still.

Doomsday will put it to good use as a butt plug for Hercules. Doomsday will think he's torturing Herc but unintentionally give Herc immense pleasure as a distraction.

Colossus would need to be Juggernaut to even survive for longer than a minute. And maybe combined with a Hercules that has the Nemean Lion Skin, Pluto's helmet, and Perseus Shield and Peleus Sword, they might stand a chance.

Bump. Doomsday has (as he always had) access to feats before DoS as well. The character he physically beat to death, Superman, survived a Sun Eater explosion that hurled him across light years and across time:

DoS Doomsday, whilst in a weakened state after 150,000 years buried undergound with no sun and after being hit by an explosion that tore a hole in space and time, still managed to kill Superman. Beastly.

Originally posted by Galan007
I actually wouldn't make that argument, as there are biological reasons that might've actually made DoS DD the weakest version of the character(namely his lack of sunlight/nourishment for tens of thousands of years.) Imagine Superman, a fellow Kryptonian, being imprisoned and buried in total darkness for that long... After he had already been 'killed' in battle. How powerful do you think he'd still be once he got out? Heh.

...But that's irrelevant to the Hulk ruling. Not to derail things (sorry carv), but I'd like to get that sorted first.

And I was actually trying to give him the fts, FYI. I know this stings, lol.

Lol why should it? The ruling is exactly as it was before - we always said and agreed that WWH could, more often than not, do what Savage did. It was in the old ruling (look it up).

The old ruling said WWH was limited to WWH story arc feats, i.e. no WBH. The new ruling states the same, except it also clarifies that WWH doesn't have access to his Eastern Seaboard feat. This was what I always said.

I am genuinely confused what victory you think you've won? Like, seriously?

Our debate over the years of me having to prove that WWH>Savage Hulk is over. Previous fts from weaker incarnations (Savage) can be used. WWH was the strongest Hulk up until that point. Youre hurt in the inside. I can tell. My shoulder is always here for you. Anyways, DOS Doomsday doesn't get his previous fts based off what Galan said (he will probably change his wording. Ill wait and see). He made a good point. Doomsday not being exposed to sunlight weakened him, so he was weaker in DOS. Heck, we don't even know what levels of power Doomsday was operating at back then before getting weaker. Hunter Prey? Above that? Who knows. Anyways, Hercules solos

Originally posted by carver9
Our debate over the years of me having to prove that WWH>Savage Hulk is over. Previous fts from weaker incarnations (Savage) can be used. WWH was the strongest Hulk up until that point. Youre hurt in the inside. I can tell. My shoulder is always here for you. Anyways, DOS Doomsday doesn't get his previous fts based off what Galan said (he will probably change his wording. Ill wait and see). He made a good point. Doomsday not being exposed to sunlight weakened him, so he was weaker in DOS. Heck, we don't even know what levels of power Doomsday was operating at back then before getting weaker. Hunter Prey? Above that? Who knows. Anyways, Hercules solos

I mean it might be theoretically possible that Herc at his best could take him down, but it really seems like a stretch.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but we gotta be willing to return the favor. The overall idea is to stop confining Hulk by story and go with what's logical just as is done with everyone. That means applying logic to DD and recognizing that he DID wreck several notably powerful JL members along with Supes even if the overall power level of the story was scaled back. He was clearly functioning beyond the realm of typical Herc unless he's packing some kind of Olympian amp at this point. Here does way better against Hulk than most, but he generally comes out on the losing end doesn't he? And DD has a bonus of built in weaponry via bone protrusions.

I mean it might be theoretically possible that Herc at his best could take him down, but it really seems like a stretch.

Youre right. I guess I can be reasonable with Dark now since we don't have to continue this back and forth anymore about Hulk. I agree with you.

Originally posted by carver9
Our debate over the years of me having to prove that WWH>Savage Hulk is over. Previous fts from weaker incarnations (Savage) can be used. WWH was the strongest Hulk up until that point. Youre hurt in the inside. I can tell. My shoulder is always here for you. Anyways, DOS Doomsday doesn't get his previous fts based off what Galan said (he will probably change his wording. Ill wait and see). He made a good point. Doomsday not being exposed to sunlight weakened him, so he was weaker in DOS. Heck, we don't even know what levels of power Doomsday was operating at back then before getting weaker. Hunter Prey? Above that? Who knows. Anyways, Hercules solos

Wait wut.....WWh could always do what Savage did in the forum rules.

DoS Doomsday gets all of his feats before the DoS arc, and he was getting stronger as time went on.

You cannot possibly be this stupid? Are you genuinely thinking the ruling helps you?

Im comfortable with the ruling. Im also comfortable witj DOS Doomsday not getting his previous showings.

Originally posted by carver9
Im comfortable with the ruling. Im also comfortable witj DOS Doomsday not getting his previous showings.

Galan, has Carver misunderstood your words once more?

Why is Colossus even here? Doomsday wins but Herc doesn't go down like a *****.

Originally posted by carver9
Our debate over the years of me having to prove that WWH>Savage Hulk is over. Previous fts from weaker incarnations (Savage) can be used. WWH was the strongest Hulk up until that point. Youre hurt in the inside. I can tell. My shoulder is always here for you. Anyways, DOS Doomsday doesn't get his previous fts based off what Galan said (he will probably change his wording. Ill wait and see). He made a good point. Doomsday not being exposed to sunlight weakened him, so he was weaker in DOS. Heck, we don't even know what levels of power Doomsday was operating at back then before getting weaker. Hunter Prey? Above that? Who knows. Anyways, Hercules solos

😂

Hercules isn't beating Doomsday. He is gonna fight the **** out of him but DD evolves and heals.

I guess Herc could choke him out if he breathes for a forums win, or potentially knock him out but an extended fight should go to DD or Hulk for that matter, that's exactly what they are built for.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Hercules isn't beating Doomsday. He is gonna fight the **** out of him but DD evolves and heals.

I guess Herc could choke him out if he breathes for a forums win, or potentially knock him out but an extended fight should go to DD or Hulk for that matter, that's exactly what they are built for.

Full-capacity DOS Doomsday is too fast for Hercules. He would blitz and knock him out in no time.

Colossus shouldn't even be in this discussion - it's pure spite. Carv is trolling if he claims Colossus could beat DOS Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Anyways, DOS Doomsday doesn't get his previous fts based off what Galan said

🙁 Poor Carver.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surviving Calaton and the Guardian, for example, would be a feat valid for him as we saw him casually laughing at the JLAs energy output. Which we know to be pretty powerful, if we take Guy/Superman et al' s power output.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's fair, actually. 👆

I suppose there's no telling how fast solar radiation replenishes Doomsday anyway(he was becoming more powerful throughout the entirety of DoS, after all)... And given his thousands of years of forced [Kryptonian] evolution, Doomsday's ability to absorb/process solar radiation could very well be similar(or even superior) to Prime's [pre-crisis] *clap on* factor:
https://ibb.co/hR7KbR0y
mmm

...Or Superman 1M's wickedly haxx Super-Sun-regen:
https://ibb.co/zHNwQDXg
mhmm

We already knew he would give Doomsday his fts. Welcome to KMDC.

Because it's always been valid and canon. Just like WWH can, more often than not, do what Savage did

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait wut.....WWh could always do what Savage did in the forum rules.

DoS Doomsday gets all of his feats before the DoS arc, and he was getting stronger as time went on.

You cannot possibly be this stupid? Are you genuinely thinking the ruling helps you?