Originally posted by juggerman
Actually i wrote it because Superman holds back a huge amount of his power so he won't overly harm anyone including his enemies. Prime has no such handicap. He would go for the kill from jump which means Rulk (with his full absorbing powers) probably wouldn't have to time to absorb anything as his head is being removed from his body faster than he can register the pain from it.
I agree, Superman holds back from overly harming people.
On the other hand, IN CHARACTER, Prime doesn't actually show overmuch concern over killing, one way OR the other. That is, if he feels like it, he won't hesitate to punch someone's head off or rip off an arm or cut an opponent down with heat vision.
At the same time, he's not in any hurry to wrap things up. He doesn't throw planets into the sun, he doesn't throw other planets into a target planet. He mocks, he taunts, he berates. Fighting is one-on-one. There is generally no superspeeding, little if any dodging of assualts, no overall plan. He fights like a man who is unsure of what he really wants to do, which, of course, for him, IS the case.
Looking at the encounter based on Prime's appearances in comics in character, and that of the his Marvel opponents. Rulk versus Prime isn't going to be the first mini-matchup. Ares, one of the Iron Men, or Thor would be the first. Likely Ares, since he is by far the most aggressive, Tony (Iron Man) or James Rhodes (War Machine) only because they are point men, used to giving the initial probe or counter-attack in a group versus villain engagement.
I agree, Ares would get the Voidtry treatment. That is simply the most logical thing to happen. He's the most aggressive, proud, and arrogant. He wields an axe. He's the first to encounter Prime, and he's a goner.
But Iron Man and War Machine would be a bit more circumspect, especially after seeing that happen to their comrade, and Thor and Rulk would know this is a "serious business engagement" at that point, too.
Rulk would not be rushing in or fighting stupid at that point.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Of course its not an option that shouldnt even be up for discussion
Iceman, as I said you need to show me THAT absorption is not an option and WHY it is not.
Again, under Loeb, that was one of Rulk's basic powers.
Examine the following page, very first entry in fact, and you can see Rulk absorbing cosmic power. Look further on down the page and you can see him doing it for the second or third time against Hulk.
Rulk absorbing some of Prime's energy makes for a fight of the type Loeb gave us many times before.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=490624&pagenumber=7
Also consider SBP was very depowered and sunshine on the tip of his finger powered him back up instantly. I highly doubt he could be drained while he's in sunlight unlike PC Supes. Plus if he has on his armor he will constantly be full powered.
And SBP isn't retarded (tho he acts like it sometimes). Once he notices Rulk stealing his power he will do away with him ASAP
I can't see the scans for some reasons but here is the issue where rulk lost the absorption abilities
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=235964.0
Somebody else find the scan and shut up blue.
Originally posted by iceman24567
I am saying for this specific thread he doesn't have that ability forum rules unless of course the thread started included the Loeb force Rulk. The way it looks from the opening post its just standard always getting whooped Rulk, no absorption
Rulk with energy absorption is actually the standard Rulk, for that was the way he was created, and that's where we see most of his encounters.
If we're concerned with things being "out-of-date" for this thread, the thread itself couldn't exist.
Prime himself is a whole lot less "whiney" after his encounters with the Black Lanterns, for instance, not as he "always" is at all.
And Ares is dead.
Has been for over 2 years now, in fact
(Siege #2, April 2010, released February 3, 2010).
http://marvel.wikia.com/Siege_Vol_1_2
Given that, it's doubtful the original poster could be all that concerned about what's happening in 2012.
(Or any point after Fall 2009, really ...)
Originally posted by bluewaterriderNot how forum rules work we use the most CURRENT version nothing else really matters unless stated by the thread starter Rulk is without his Loeb force hes not absorbing shit.
Rulk with energy absorption is actually the standard Rulk, for that was the way he was created, and that's where we see most of his encounters.If we're concerned with things being "out-of-date" for this thread, the thread itself couldn't exist.
Prime himself is a whole lot less "whiney" after his encounters with the Black Lanterns, for instance, not as he "always" is at all.
And Ares is dead.
Has been for over 2 years now, in fact
(Siege #2, April 2010, released February 3, 2010).http://marvel.wikia.com/Siege_Vol_1_2
Given that, it's doubtful the original poster could be all that concerned about what's happening in 2012.
(Or any point after Fall 2009, really ...)
Originally posted by bluewaterriderBlue where are you taking this? We aren't talking about superman here. We are discussing SBP and you totally missed my point because you got emotional with your hate for superman. What does Superman dying while under a noon sun in dos have to do with SBP? It's shown that sbp absorbs sunlight differently. My point is, rulk can absorb as much solar energy as he wants from SBP. Him absorbing said energy is debateble, hell I am even giving you this without an argument so that you can make your case appear to have a chance here. But now tell me how much will the rulk absorb? Can he completely drain SBP? Ok I'll even let you get this. But as shown, SBP can get to full power with just a sliver of sunlight touching his fingertips. So SBP will be back at full power in no time. So let's say the rulk turns on his absorbing powers again, how much energy does light on fingertips produce? For the rulk it will be enough to probably fart as loud as a whoopie cushion but for SBP it's enough to move planets and overpower half a dozen high heralds. In a nutshell, we are not discussing superman or how he absorbs powers we are discussing SBP. You went off on a tangent and wrote a nice winded post, it was nice and all but irrelevant to this thread.
If you really felt all my response deserved was some LOL emoticon, you'd have put one here and been done with it, not sent me a message that you even took the time to edit after the fact. Nor, were the post baseless, would you be concerned of other people being convinced of the argument.As it is, you have no punch coming, I put forth that the writer Jeph Loeb would frame this encounter one way, I put forth that the writer Greg Pak would frame it another. If you want to counter that, you need to give good reason why you think they would not.
Especially given how Loeb and Pak actually structured their Red Hulk and World Breaker Hulk runs, respectively.
Fact is, under Jeph Loeb, Red Hulk took out a lot of people that he actually does not, on his own intrinsic strength levels, match up with.
Hulk himself for starters.
Twice, if memory serves correctly.Thor.
Abomination.
You tell me that Superboy Prime took out several heralds.
Red Hulk took out Silver Surfer, the being the herald class is NAMED after, and took out one or two more of Galactus's servants for good measure.
Rulk didn't do this because he's just that powerful on his own.
He took them out because he has the ability to absorb the energies of or contained in an opponent.In Hulk's case, he absorbed Hulk's gamma energy.
In Surfer's case, he absorbed Surfer's cosmic energy.
I doubt that he can absorb magical energy, I would guess Rulk was able to take down Thor in his famous "Moonshot" victory not only for good planning and the sheer element of surprise but also owing to the energy Rulk had previously absorbed from Hulk.
But he would go on to defeat Hulk at least a 2nd time by taking virtually all his gamma energy away from him.Then, for good measure, Rulk began absorbing the pure sound energy of the villain known as Klaw.
Gamma, Cosmic, Sound.
If Rulk can absorb all those forms of energy, seemingly at will, if his general ability is, in fact to absorb various forms of energy from special beings, why wouldn't he be able to absorb solar energy from someone like Prime?You want to say that draining and/or energy-absorption attacks don't work on Kryptonians? I direct you to virtually any magazine where the Parasite is the featured villain.
You want to say being in sunlight means Kryptonian healing factor or continual replacement of said energy means the Kryptonian is invincible?
I direct you to the Death of Superman trade, where fighting the high noon showdown in Metropolis, sunlight or no, translated into Superman being sent into coma.
Originally posted by abhilegendThis is true, but I even let him use this in his argument, but it doesn't work here with SBP. SBP will be at full strength with the amount of energy that is produced by light that rests on fingertips. How much will that help rulk if he absorbs it? LOL while SBP gets back at full power. SBP will punch a hole in rulk's head while he is sucking on his fingers tips trying tk absorb more energy.
I can't see the scans for some reasons but here is the issue where rulk lost the absorption abilitieshttp://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=235964.0
Somebody else find the scan and shut up blue.
Originally posted by -Pr-Sure,
Guys, current versions unless otherwise stated.
Originally posted by DiesldudeDon't think he was talking about Prime just common sense ya know
Sure,
SBP in one of his appearances was getting ganged up on. They showed the sun rising, the hero's displayed their best oh shit face, prime reaches up, touches sunlight and easily overpowers everyone. This aspect of SBP powers haven't changed, or am I missing something?