Guys one thing that you're ruling out is that Cap can trick Batman with a shield throw sometimes he throws his shield and it looks like it misses or he wants them to dodge it but he does it to get them into a vulnerable position.
I'm not ruling out that Cap will throw his shield but I think he will hold onto it but if he does throw it it will be for a decisive reason and it will be to trick Batman and put him into a situation that Cap wants him. This tactic has worked a lot.
Originally posted by cdtm
He does that, and it opens him up to Batman throwing his own Battarang, trancing him, or gassing him (Pretty sure he can gas him past the shield anyways.)
You're making assumptions. My argumnet was that if he does that it will be to place Batman in a vulnerable position where he can't do that and I'm making that assumption that Cap has enhanced intelligence and is a better combat strategist than Batman and as far as I'm aware this trick has worked every time. It's worked on Iron Spiderman, Wolverine and one of the Apocalypse twins. I'm sure there are others.
Originally posted by cdtm
Bats also smart enough to calculate angles on the fly, and the gloves are reinforced to allow catching it.
As I explained Cap might actually want him to catch it, like he did with Wolverine. Wolverine thought by blocking the shield throw that he evaded the attack but that's exactly what Cap wanted him to do.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Captain America #10.Do us all a favour and start reading the stuff you're so desperately trying to discuss.
uh dude, this isn't the issue https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-America-Comics/Issue-10?id=37330
Cap's getting dragged down by Alberto and Deadline.
You can make a good case that Cap can block and dodge nearly all of Batman's gadgets, and that he has the feats to tank any that land.
And JLA/Avengers itself might be inadmissible, but all that fight stands for is that Cap has better stamina than Batman, which is the effect of the SSS. Cap basically doesn't tire, Bats will eventually.
Also, it's a huge leap to assume that Bats is constantly carrying every gadget he's ever used in a prep-less fight.
Also, Batroc has a weird and long history of performing better than he should. But, a serious Cap dismisses Batroc pretty hard (lol): https://imgur.com/a/E1mA1#0
Originally posted by Deadline
You're making assumptions. My argumnet was that if he does that it will be to place Batman in a vulnerable position where he can't do that and I'm making that assumption that Cap has enhanced intelligence and is a better combat strategist than Batman and as far as I'm aware this trick has worked every time. It's worked on Iron Spiderman, Wolverine and one of the Apocalypse twins. I'm sure there are others.As I explained Cap might actually want him to catch it, like he did with Wolverine. Wolverine thought by blocking the shield throw that he evaded the attack but that's exactly what Cap wanted him to do.
It's not an assumption that Batman could counter attack while dodging. As he HAS.
Against Slade, for example, in the recent Batman vs Deathstroke story.
Slade is arguably more enhanced then Cap, and has more combat experience.
And again, Batman is smart enough to keep his cool, calculate the shields trajectories, and counter. Cap will NOT take him off guard like that, any more then he did Castle, Danny, Matt..
Remember, Batman crowd controlled an entire prison riot in melee. A literal mob. That takes serious multitasking.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's not an assumption that Batman could counter attack while dodging. As he HAS.
Of course he has but he's fighting an enhanced opponent with high skill. It's not impossible for Batman to evade but I've never seen this trick not work why are we assuming Bat will avoid it?
Originally posted by cdtm
Against Slade, for example, in the recent Batman vs Deathstroke story.Slade is arguably more enhanced then Cap, and has more combat experience.
What you mean the one where DS was fighting Deadshot and not Batman, is that the way things usualy go against him? It isn't. Slade doesn't have more combat experience.
Originally posted by cdtm
And again, Batman is smart enough to keep his cool, calculate the shields trajectories, and counter. Cap will NOT take him off guard like that, any more then he did Castle, Danny, Matt..
Wolverine didn't, an enhanced Spiderman didn't one of the Apocalypse twins didn't. Why is Batman going to avoid it? Those examples mostly involve Cap throwing a shield at them, im talking about setting him up.
Originally posted by cdtm
Remember, Batman crowd controlled an entire prison riot in melee. A literal mob. That takes serious multitasking.
That doesn't mean it's going to work against Cap. Cap hss enhanced intelligence Batman doesn't and is a better combat strategist, why are we assuming that Bats is going to figure it out?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
actually,he should mean deathstroke his own issues.
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Penned by Priest, no less.
It's his series, and his horse. He had every reason to do as Ennis did when Hitman met Batman.
Instead, he wrote a damned strong Batman (Not the strongest, far from it. But fair) to oppose his very strong Deathstroke.
Originally posted by DeadlineTo start, you're arguing that Cap's intelligence is more enhanced than Batman's? And you're down this rabbit hole making a case that Cap will intuit Batman's gadgets and change up his fighting style, which makes it look like Cap needs to do that.
What have I said that is dragging Cap down? I suspect he's not even going to respond.
These stips favour Cap. He doesn't need to change up his fighting style, he just needs to put Batman down, quickly.
If this were a Batman book with these stips and full capacity on both sides, Cap would win the first round (aka, the forum match), and Batman would out-prep him in the follow up.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ok but the fact is in reality without cap holding back he would put a shield through his chest in like .5 seconds. a force going through an armored truck etc that was posted above? that force would kill bats
😂 Did you even read your own OP?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Both fighters are in character.
So good luck showing good ole all american pie eating Steve Rogers impaling humans with his shield.
Batman could take a hard hit from the shield in the open of the match if Cap used a tricky ricochet shot (which, he probably would, in character). And given that there's only 100 feet between them, Cap can close the distance right away.
If Cap launched a haymaker shield throw at Bats right from the get go, Batman dodges it. Maybe the shield will tear through the wall behind him. Batman has full view of Cap, and more than enough dodging and speed feats.