Obi-Wan(ROTS) And Anakin(ROTS) Vs Mace Windu(ROTS)

Started by Shadow x 208 pages

No Dooku used the force on Obi and actually battled Ani with his lightsaber.

Dooku's cut dialogue from the script implies that he threw the fight, but Anakin fanboys will say otherwise.

Originally posted by Shadow x 20
No Dooku used the force on Obi and actually battled Ani with his lightsaber.

So why didn't he used the force on Ani?

Dooku isolated Skywalker as well and was increasingly trying to get him to tap into his Dark Energies. Plus, as Ianus mentioned, the cut dialogue implies he threw the damned fight.

ok there is no canon proof that he threw any fight its pure speculation, on the other hands George Lucas himself stated that Anakin was stronger this time around, this is like a mirror of episode 6 when luke overpowered vader. Both by using force rage. Anakin had more raw power. Obi-wan was weaker in raw power, much much weaker, he won by a cheap tactic when anakin made a mistake. Obi did not overpower Ani, he won by mere luck. If they were fighting on tattoine, obi would be dead. Force Rage temporarily double your power and speed, plus Anakin stated he was twice as strong as he was in AOTC that was before he used Force Rage, he was 4 times as powerful as he was in AOTC when he killed dooku. so its very reasonable to think that anakin with enhanced power and speed was definintely stronger than dooku.

p.s dooku simply underestimated anakin's strength, he wanted a challenge so he asked anakin to use the dark side. But he had no idea of how powerful ani would become. It frightened him, Dooku looked terrifed when ani had him in that head saber lock. this is similar to when Perfect Cell was getting Gohan to go super saiyan 2, but was terrified at how powerful gohan actually became.

ok there is no canon proof that he threw any fight its pure speculation, on the other hands George Lucas himself stated that Anakin was stronger this time around, this is like a mirror of episode 6 when luke overpowered vader.

Actually, if you watch the duel properly, it kinda shows that Dooku threw the fight. He used all of his offensive force powers against Obi-Wan, leaving Anakin unscathed. Care to explain how that shows Dooku gave his all? Everytime they locked sabers, Dooku gave ground to Anakin and encouraged him to use his anger, rather than attack him. Care to explain how that shows Dooku trying?

Both by using force rage. Anakin had more raw power. Obi-wan was weaker in raw power, much much weaker.

Yet Obi-Wan still managed to defeat Anakin. It clearly shows that having a shitload of raw power doesn't equal to automatic godlike whoop-ass abilities.

he won by a cheap tactic when anakin made a mistake. Obi did not overpower Ani, he won by mere luck. If they were fighting on tattoine, obi would be dead.

How the bloody hell is outsmarting your opponent a cheap tactic? Obi-Wan matched Anakin blade for blade. It was a dead even fight until Anakin made that stupid mistake. Obi-Wan was level-headed and resourceful enough to provoke that kind of mistake from Anakin. He also used his terrain to his advantage. Those are all qualities of being a good fighter. Obi-Wan had experience, intelligence, and level-headedness over Anakin. All Anakin had over Obi-Wan was raw-power. But guess who still won the fight? As I said earlier, just having raw power is far from being enough to win a fight.

Force Rage temporarily double your power and speed, plus Anakin stated he was twice as strong as he was in AOTC that was before he used Force Rage, he was 4 times as powerful as he was in AOTC when he killed dooku. so its very reasonable to think that anakin with enhanced power and speed was definintely stronger than dooku.

Woohoo...that's what you call unsupported assumptions. Anakin even stated that Obi-Wan was 'as wise as Yoda and as powerful as Windu', are you gonna take Anakin's word and assume Obi-Wan is on par with Mace or Yoda? LMAO! Anakin was merely saying that for an unsuccessful attempt to threated Dooku. Notice how Dooku just taunted him after that? It clearly didn't impress Dooku at all. And besides, Anakin couldn't even use the force to help himself against Obi-Wan, yet look at Dooku, he just chucked Obi-Wan away like a rag doll. Clearly shows that Anakin is a lot inferior to Dooku in mastery of force powers. I'm not denying that Anakin has more raw power than Dooku, but Dooku has much more control over his power than Anakin did. I choose having control over a slightly less amount of power over not having any control over a shitload of raw, unusable power.

p.s dooku simply underestimated anakin's strength, he wanted a challenge so he asked anakin to use the dark side. But he had no idea of how powerful ani would become. It frightened him, Dooku looked terrifed when ani had him in that head saber lock.

Exactly! Dooku was trying to provoke Anakin to tap into the dark side! That shows that he wasn't trying to kill, harm, or win the fight against Anakin! Dooku was only frightened AFTER Sidious forced Anakin to kill him! Notice how he looked at Sidious like "Hey, WTF man?" when Sidious wanted Anakin to kill him. That wasn't part of the original plan. Also, there is a conversation happening before the duel between Dooku and Sidious, where Sidious gave Dooku STRICT ORDERS to kill Obi-Wan, and turn Anakin to the dark side! In other words, Dooku wasn't allowed to win the fight! Dooku's cut dialogue of "But you promised me amnesity!" implies so!

Can you please tell me where you heard these words of dooku and sidious?

I believe it was the ROTS script and in the book Labyrinth of Evil, the prologue for ROTS.

where can i look up the script for rots?

My mistake, it wasn't in the ROTS script. It was in Labyrinth of Evil. Check that book out.

Originally posted by OBI-Ninja
[B]Actually, in the ROTS AC, GL says Anakin proved himself stronger than Dooku.

wtf? Glentract told me Dooku threw the fight... [/B]


Alot of people used to say that. Now even Sorgo says Mace and Dooku are about even and Anakin'd put up a good fight against Mace.

From the AC: In this particular case Palpatine's testing Anakin to see if he's strong enough to become his apprentice and he and he doesn't actually tell Dooku what he's up to so Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him but the whole thing was a set up by the Emperor to test Anakin's strength and when Anakin's strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the Emperor's ready to convert him over to the Dark Side to become his new apprentice.

still look at the rots game for ps2, anakin pwns mace!

Originally posted by ssj3gohan007
still look at the rots game for ps2, anakin pwns mace!

OMG... yer kidding, right?

WTF?!?! GAMES IS JUST A GAME, ROTS GAME IS NOT CANON.

That IS true, the Harry Potter movies had weak acting.

Originally posted by Tangible God
That IS true, the Harry Potter movies had weak acting.

What does Harry Potter have to do with Star Wars? And Harry Potter rocks btw.

Originally posted by Dark Envy
What does Harry Potter have to do with Star Wars? And Harry Potter rocks btw.
Not Daniel Radcliffe's acting skills, they suck worse than Hayden's.

And I dunno, thought I should break the tension.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Not Daniel Radcliffe's acting skills, they suck worse than Hayden's.

And I dunno, thought I should break the tension.

Thing is, I don't really care bout acting. And my thread past 6 pages!

yes it did congrats, and yes i was kidding about the game thing, i though a joke would lighten the mood

Originally posted by darthsith19
Alot of people used to say that. Now even Sorgo says Mace and Dooku are about even and Anakin'd put up a good fight against Mace.

From the AC: In this particular case Palpatine's testing Anakin to see if he's strong enough to become his apprentice and he and he doesn't actually tell Dooku what he's up to so Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him but the whole thing was a set up by the Emperor to test Anakin's strength and when Anakin's strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the Emperor's ready to convert him over to the Dark Side to become his new apprentice.

You think Dooku doesn't already know that Palpatine wants to convert Anakin?

"His master would have his work cut out for him if he planned to turn Skywalker."

A thought of the Count in Labyrinth of Evil. For the umpteenth time, read the book. It would make most of the arguments we have completely unnecessary.