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Im pretty sure this comes down to who puts down the first spell the fastest. If Gandalf broke voldys wand or dis armed him then voldy isn't going to win. Yes he could do wandless magic but it would take great effort to do so. The effort you have to put behind wandless magic would be to much even for a simple spell.
Im going to say Gandalf. Voldemorts never messed with someone like this before.
If Gandalf can obliterate with ease everything he desires, why didn't he do it more often? Is it because he broke Saruman's staff that people think that?
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
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1. who said he could?
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2. Ooh and Voldy could just obliterate anything then why didn't he just do it? He had Horcroxs to keep him alive. Why did he just single handily wipe everyone off the face of the earth? Why did he need the death eaters at all?
Definitely Voldemort. What did Gandalf do in the films? Shine bright lights to drive off a Nazghul and make a bridge fall to take down the Balrog. Alright, he fought it later as well, but the wizards in Tolkien's world just are not at the level of those in the fantasy works that followed, and understandably so.
You are aware that Voldemort was more interested in ruling the world, not destroying it? He has however shown a propensity for killing people with one spell that can't be blocked. Dead Gandalf in two seconds flat.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
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Yea because its so hard to break a wand
Seriously if you think someone has to be some super master of obliterating things to do it then your are so far off base you aren't even on the ball field.
I didn't say anything about destroying the world.
If it's so simple for him to just beat anyone with this instant death spell that "can't be blocked" (which has been shown to be blocked) Then Why did he not just go beat his opponents himself?
How exactly is Gandalf going to break Voldemort's wand? By using the same technique he employed on all those Orc/Uruk/Nazgul weapons? Remember all those swords, and shields, and bows that Gandalf obliterated in the films? No? Me neither. But magic wands in the hands of powerful Dark Lords, yeah those are a cakewalk.
Yeah. You did. When you said this:
How is Gandalf going to block the Killing Spell? Does Gandalf have a mother who sacrificed herself for him? And did you not watch the films? When Voldemort's minions fail at their job, he does go himself. And he tends to kill people. A lot.
And did you just try to counter yourself up there?
Just like all those times he said "Your sword is broken." Or "Your bow is broken." Or "You siege tower that's made of ordinary wood is broken."
Saruman, a depowered wizard who belongs to the same order that Gandalf is now chief of, is cast out with a symbolic breaking of his staff, and you think that's a power that Gandalf can deploy at will on anything, held by anybody, at anytime? Even though far less powerful wretches (Orcs, Denothor's [and his torch] etc.) require Gandalf to use a sword, and a guard's spear to defeat?
The Elder Wand (or any Potter Wand) isn't being touched by Gandalf, and he'll be dead on the ground from a killing spell in two seconds flat.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Sep 29th, 2012 at 07:55 PM
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lmao your making me roll. A wand thats no stronger then a piece of wood is stronger then all those orcs swords and shields haha. Your not helping yourself here. All you are doing is taking Gandalfs feat of breaking another very powerful wizards staff just by saying so and saying it can't happen because it didn't happen more then once. Well it did happen sorry.
If you know as much about the films as you claim you do then you would know wizards wands are anything but invincible.
as you can see Harry is countering this "Un block-able" spell. I wasn't speaking of lilys love charm
So now we have a wizard countering the spell you said couldn't be countered, the knowledge that wand breaking is very easy, and Gandalf has shown he can simply break another wizards staff just by saying so.
Not more than once. Again, you do realize that Saruman and Gandalf are both Maiar Istari, right? And when Gandalf came back as the White, he replaced Saruman in the Wizard Order--"What Saruman was meant to be." The breaking of his staff was symbolic in kicking him out of the Order and stripping his power and authority. It's not some video-game technique that he can apply to anything made of wood---you know, like bows and arrows, or shield. Voldemort isn't one of those Istari, Gandalf has no authority over him. He can't "break his staff", or in this case a wand. No more than he could break an Orc's weapon, or a Hobbit's pipe.
*sigh*
I'm beginning to think that you've never actually watched the Potter films, or read the books, and what you know comes from YouTube clips.
Harry is blocking Avada Kedavra, because the Elder Wand recognizes him as the rightful owner. The Elder Wand that the Voldemort is holding. Please actually learn the source material before you start arguing about it.
I could start arguing that you are a competent lad, capable of well thought out, rational, argument. But... I have no proof, so I won't go there.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
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apparently I have seen more of it then you. Does the wand recognize harry as his owner? yes. Is that why hes able to block it? no. Your just making crap up now. The only thing that is happening is the wand doesn't work at 100% when someone uses it thats not its owner. We saw it starting to crack at one point. Thats when voldy goes to talk to snap about it. No where in the movie does it state or is it implied that just because it belongs to someone else it makes your spells "blockable". Try again. Also I would like to add what do the books have to do with anything? I mean it's not like they go hand and hand and this is a movie based fight. Show me someone stating or proof that harry is only blocking it because its his.....
Im pretty sure you are thinking of when Harry and Voldy had wands with feathers from the same phoenix. After they connected they couldn't hurt each other with their original wands......
EDIT: yes I realize that a lesser wizards staff was broken because a stronger wizard commanded it so. Just because hes a battle ready wizard and didn't use magic isn't a very good argument.
Let me put it to you like I did the other LOTR fanboi who thought Sauron was the ultimate power: Moiraine from Wheel of Time could crush Sauron, Gandolf, and any other magic user from Tolkien's world. They just are not very powerful wizards in comparison to what follows in most other fantasy. Even Elora Danan is more powerful by the end of the Willow series.
As to this specific instance, almost every top tier wizard in the Potter series could have killed Gandalf, let alone Voldemort himself. Sucks that you're living in delusion that way, but whatever's clever.
I just posted this clip in the GDF, but what the hell. It fits here too. I'm Vegeta, and you are Nappa:
You sir, have won the Internet. I bow to your skill at being awful.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Just thought this needs clearing up a little bit. Spelt is perfectly correct (more correct than spelled) English and therefore the irony of what you say is beautiful. For future reference, spelled is the dumbed down American English equivalent....
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