leonheartmm
Senior Member
1. Wrong. In the series Michael is described as second only to God, hence the name Demiurgos.
twice yes. but lucifer is described as his equal more than twice and lucifer being the most beautiful and most powerful in creation is described more than twice. also, demiurgos simply refers to demiurge, which can be trasnslated as both creation and evil. nothing to do with being second to god.
2. Wrong. Michael's power can destroy all of creation.
Lucifer couldn't even out-power the veillety.
Lucifer can't even beat Gabriel and he's fighting him like a peasant for f*cks sake.
your giving answers to claims i never made. i myself have said boundless times that micheal's power cud destroy all of creation and create a new one. what does that have to do with anything? lucifer is still his equal in pure power and superior in will.
and your second scan only proves YOU wrong. do you really think no1 is gonna read what's in the scan? lucifer's will is STRONGER than theirs, and the dagger is still moving and if he himself has to dispopse of them, there would be collateral damage that he doesnt want. also remember that that scan is from the morningstar option when lucifer does NOT have his power. and yet he was still able to outsmart and defeat the vaelitty.
as to your third point, lucifer himself has said that to him, gabriel is not even worth a dewdrop if he wanted to kill him. all stories have certain plot devices without which there would BE no story, this is just representing the war in heaven when lucifer WAS benevolant. also, that scan is of lucifer from ANOTHER creation, which was in many ways different from yahweh's. in the void. as can be seen that in the beginning the main rolse arent divided between just lucifer and micheal but lucifer micheal and gabriel{micheal releases, gabriel weaves and lucifer lights suns} that is NOT how ithappened in the origial creation. so there you go, your sneekiness revealed, it isnt the same lucifer. infact the real lucifer saw and took in all that happened in that creation in the blink of an eye and it is issue 75 and just a reminescience for lucifer and the readers. and not to mention even gabriel their claims that lucifer's power has BORKEN due to the war{apparently by fighting with micheal and others} and lucifer still takes the blade out and slashes him.{your losing credibility is what im saying}
btw THIS is what gabriel really is to lucifer in the ACTUAL creation.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer-50-35.jpg
nuthing but a drop of dew
3. Intellect? Sure. Will? Who gives a crap? I already provided a scan showing how pathetic his willpower is when tested against a mighty power.
all characters have low end showings, and you havent proven anythign about his willpower. his will was strong enough to shape universes and create time from nuthing. and as he explains, EXERCISING power and omniscience is a matter of WILL. it was hiis will which broke his role. cant beleive you didnt get that after reading lucifer.
4. He can't even take on Gabriel, much less the entire force of heaven.
wtf??? are ou serious, he said that gabrielle wasnt even a dewdrop to him. gabriell died by friggin half angels and demons which are nothing to lucifer. that scan was simply a representation of the war in heaven dumass. stop posting silly claim cause any who reads it will laugh at the prospect of lucifer being weaker than gabreil. and hey, that isnt the real gabriel, just gabriel from another creation where the power was shared amnong micheal lucifer and gabriel and also whre there were significant differences from the main creation. please, stop using these tactics to try to fool people who might think it is the real lucifer. the real lucifer was just watching the creation from outside.
Michael could have ended the war with a gesture.
5. He killed Fenris, sure, but killed the child of the Basanos? WTF are you talking about? Now you're just straight up lying and making up stories. Elaine took away the powers of the Basanos child and then impregnated Jill with the infant. Lucifer had nothing to do with the child.
lol, and WHO might i ask is speaking??? lucifer? i think NOT. micheal cud have killed every other demon if he wanted but NOT lucifer. lucifer is his equal in power, cant beleive yuor theonly one who doesnt know that after supposedly having read all of lucifer.
excuse me, now your just lying. elaine took away the power of the child only for the PERIOD of the pregnancy so that jill would live. after which the child posessed ALL the power again. see if youd read the thing or werent so friggin biased, youd KNOW that. that is why it cud see lucifer's death which it cant without its powers. stop making things up. then later, a powerless lucifer killed fenris, the embodiement of destryuction and killer of the entire norse pantheon and went on to use the child as a tool against its will.
6. More lies and stories. Show a scan where it says he can kill Death? You're not going to find one. Oh, and if it wasn't for Michael, Lucifer would have remained dead and the series would have immediately ended.
sigh and if i DO show you the scan, will you then admit that you either havent actualy read lucifer, or were lying when you made the claim or both???? ok well here it is 😄
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p07.jpg
{this also falsifies your claim that he wud have REMAINED dead if it werent for micheal}
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p12.jpg
{lucifer conversing with the endless death on how she has no domain over him and cant claim him to which she admits she cant and later threatens to kill DEATH at which she humbly replies that if you kill the messenger, you only get less mail in the end, referring to the souls which belong to lucifer of dead people in hell}
7. This is truly a comedic spam statement. Lucifer take revenge on Yahweh? *chuckles*. You should be banned for that statement.
and YOU have obviously never read lucifer. or were the scans i gave of on panel actually sayign EXACTLY that not enough to convince you that it happened and that it was real??????? lmao .
8. Wrong. Mazikeen stabbing the sword through the woman allowed Lucifer to kill the Titans before they were omnipotent. Lucifer was pathetically dying from the clone at the time and if Mazikeen never acted, Lucifer would have perished once again.
a clone apparently equal to him in power and his opposite. and yet lucifer did defeat them.
9. What in the hell are you talking about now? Not impressive anyways.
right, so killing th entire giant race of norse gods who wud be part of the world destroying force at ragnarok isnt impressive?????
10. Oh, he bashed through it now did he? I guess you conveniently overlooked the fact that if Lucifer sets foot there the place would shatter due to the laws Yahweh imposed on that particular place. That's why he sent a crew to accomplish his goal in the first place.
it wasnt yahweh's LAWS, it was the fact that his POWER{which you are falsely trying to diminish} was so great that the mansions of silence would SHATTER if he entered, and that was exactly what happened and a billion billion supernatural and powerful beings died as a result.
11. An outlandish fanboy statement, which is why nobody takes you seriously.
oh my GOD, your possibly the biggest fanboy on this thread, and that isnt an easy title to gain. you actually suggested that lucifer was weaker than gabrielle!
12. Why don't you just take Mike Carey's position as the author of Lucifer seeing how enjoy completely making up what happened in the series?
oh you mean the numbverous times he says that micheal and lucifer are complete equal and the also numerous times he says that lucifer is the strongest in creation after yahweh?
13. Never in the Lucifer series has Lucifer been referred to as the second most powerful only to Yahweh. And I find it hilarious how you brought beauty into the discussion because it just further proves your obsessive and irrational fetish over this character, which completely blinds you from objectively debating any topic involving him. [/B]
yes he HAS. itll take me some time to dig up out of 75 chapters because i dont remeber all the exact pages but ill disprove this new lie of yours with a scan again. but really isnt THIS the only real reason your so against lucifer? the fact that he killed micheal??????
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_54_p14.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_54_p17.jpg
