Originally posted by Taay'hai
SWLegend, you have two problems. You're highly underestimating Darth Maul's abilities
Sorry, I am calling a spade a spade here. If you can disprove/discredit my arguments, please do so.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
and you're the biggest Revan fanboy anybody could meet.
Debating objectively for him does not makes me a fanboy; yes, he is (one) of my favorite characters. But I don't overestimate his abilities.
In case of Revan, issue is that he isn't much explored in the context of his capabilities; in-fact, much of his story has been explored in games. However, promotion and combat performance wise, he outclasses Maul by a big margin. He have reshaped Galactic events and defeated very powerful adversaries in single combat; he even held his own against Vitiate, an avatar of the dark side, for a while (which is HUGE). These combat performances alone put him noticeably ahead of Maul.
In case of lightsaber dueling: Revan packs great skill as well. Remember when the first Jedi Strike Team approached him? He had ignited his lightsaber and looked confident. Centuries later, when another Strike Team approached him, he again ignited his lightsaber and (presumably) engaged all opponents in lightsaber combat with confidence; and he wasn't cut down. So What does this example indicates?
Revan was a big threat to the Sith Empire; the Sith would not taken chances against him by sending mooks to encounter him. Do the math.
In case of Force powers: What you also have failed to understand thus far is that Revan's (peak) telekinetic abilities have not been canonically depicted/explored; he might be as good as Yoda...who knows? We are dealing with possibilities here. The novel depicts him as a very calculative individual and all of his feats (in the novel) affirm his "great control" over his actions. In addition, Revan stood up to his reputation of packing very impressive command of the Force during his encounter with the Imperial Strike Team. You can see his actions in the video that I cited; the game is an MMO so combat feats may not look impressive to some in it. However, same fight will look very impressive in a high-budget medium.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Secondly, I never compared Darth Maul to Vitiate. Maul and his team are the confronters--notice I used the word TEAM? With his extra support, he hasn't a chance of immediate infiltration/assassination. I didn't see Revan suddenly assassinating anyone in the Imperial Strike Team--not even the Agent or bounty hunter!
Oh! I think you misunderstood my argument in this context. I am not saying that Revan might blitz Team members but he has a good chance at quickly subduing the Mandalorians in the Team with his powers at least. Also, fight in the game is not scripted; we do not know if any member of the Imperial Strike Team died or not in this encounter. Important observation is that Revan didn't turn out be a walk-in-the-park for such a formidable TEAM even after enduring 3 centuries of torture. And his command of the Force is at such a level that he created a protective bubble around him when he was vulnerable and then did the impossible...
Originally posted by Taay'hai
If I remember clearly (and I do), Savage in his rage-enhanced mode caused by pain that you expect him to endure plenty of thx to Revan, can create a Force Repulse that is extremely difficult to defend against. Secondly, Pre Vizsla and Bo-Katan are incredibly skilled in hand-to-hand. Maul is the best saberist, acrobat, and so on.
The Imperial Strike Team that was sent to confront Revan was also made-up of bad@sses. What part of this assertion you find it so hard to understand?
And according to one source, Revan engaged Mandalore the Ultimate in a hand-to-hand combat and prevailed.
Also, Revan had to fight his way through large number of Sith stationed on Star Forge (including an army of Star Forge's battle droids) to reach the position of Darth Malak and he succeeded; he is after all one of the strongest Jedi in history.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Savage has produced Force waves already. His physically enhanced saber blows send people flying, as shown in season 3.
Revan have lot of raw power under his belt and can utilize it effectively due to his exceptional command of the Force. He is in a good position to endure Savage's attacks. An avatar of the dark side was able to send Revan packing; their is no guarantee that a Savage class opponent can accomplish the same.
Vitiate >>>>>>>>>>> Savage.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Vizsla has overpowered Obi-Wan in hand-to-hand combat even while he was armed with a lightsaber. He fought as well as he did against Ahsoka while he was drunk. He gave even Maul a hard time. And he's the best Mandalorian swordsman I've ever seen in all of Star Wars as of yet.
This;
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion. (SWTOR: Revan)
This same Mandalorian was so strong and skilled that he could subdue a well-trained Jedi easily as depicted in KoTOR comics.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Bo-Katan almost single-handedly took on four Mandalorian Super Commandos with only her body, she packed an incredible punch against Ahsoka while on top of the hull of moving, fast speeder. The only fear she ever had was of Vizsla's death. But there's no fast speeder to fight on so that doesn't count here.
Dude, Jedi like Ahsoka won't even register in front of Revan.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Maul has overpowered/killed many Jedi using both the Force and his lightsaber. His display of power was quoted several times by Intrepid.
To be honest, Bandon seems like a carbon-copy of Maul accept that he is a human. He have received promotion on similar lines; the only difference is that he is not explored in the context of his capabilities at all.