Originally posted by Nephthys
Tbh, Savage appears to be far more skilled than he has any right to be. Especially since a doublebladed lightsaber is harder to use. Maybe if his training with Dooku had been fleshed out a bit more and was shown to be longer than it seemed to be, it wouldn't be such a head-scratcher.
If we're talking about dueling skills, Opress was already a trained warrior before he was given his amp by the nightsisters.
People like Pre-Viszla have shown you can sword fight a Jedi without having any force training. Perhaps without even having the Force.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Why the hell should I need a counterargument when you dismiss any opinions of characters that supports my argument but use them as proof for yours?
For example:
The present Sith Master, Darth Sidious is the diabolically brilliant mind behind training one of the most dangerous Sith apprentices in history: the deadly Darth Maul. (Episode I Visual Dictionary)
Now this source was published in what year exactly?
Answer: 1999
And how much have changed in Star Wars since then?
Episode II introduced Count Dooku to the lore and he put Maul to shame in terms of capabilities and understanding of the dark side.
In the grand picture of the (updated) lore till date, Maul doesn't looks special and neither does Dooku in the context of knowledge of the dark arts. So why should I ignore all of the latest developments in the mythos and treat information offered in 1999 like a gospel?
Holistic assessment of things is necessary these days.
As I pointed out before:
"It strikes me as unnecessary, but I won't deny his mastery of the Jar'Kai technique. Niman and teräs käsi will never substitute for dun möch, but I appreciate that you have trained him to be a fighting machine rather than a true apprentice." (Darth Plagueis to Darth Sidious)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I used the line you used...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So everybody is lying in your opinion?Darth Nyriss: "He is powerful and extremely dangerous."
Is Nyriss lying too? She stated this before she even fought him. Yet she had a decent idea of what Revan was capable of.
In addition;
1. The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. (SWTOR: Revan)
2. However, it was more than the Jedi's raw power that interested Scourge. Unlike all the instructors at the Academy, or even Nyriss herself, Revan had experienced both the light and dark sides of the Force. He had a unique perspective on its strengths and weaknesses, and Scourge was eager to learn from his experience. (SWTOR: Revan)
3. There was something unnerving about staring into the faceless mask; it made Revan seem more intimidating, more powerful. Or maybe Scourge just felt that way because he’d watched him destroy Nyriss. Whatever the reason, he was more confident than ever that he’d made the right choice. If anyone had the strength to stop the Emperor, it was this man. (SWTOR: Revan)
Do you think that Revan is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to complement his fearsome reputation?
Revan gained fearsome reputation on the basis of his great power and accomplishments.
Instead of giving me lame ***-for-tat kind of responses, try to understand my points.
You mentioned Maul's fearsome reputation? Prove it or give-up.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
God. Do you see Maul struggle force-wise? I only recall seconds after his revival when he had problems grabbing his saber.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove it.
1. A second later a trio of grenades skittered across the floor, bouncing and rolling to a stop near the base of the sarcophagus. The instant before they detonated, Revan reached out with the Force and hurled the heavy stone lid of the sarcophagus toward the grenades. It acted as a shield, absorbing the worst of the blast before exploding into pebbles and dust. (SWTOR: Revan)
Was Revan trying hard to perform this feat?
2. At the far end of the hall, another half a dozen of the Imperial Guard rounded the corner. Revan reached out with the Force and ripped the vaulted stone archway in the ceiling above them free from its setting. A shower of dust and debris rained down on the reinforcements, sending them into temporary retreat. (SWTOR: Revan)
Was Revan trying hard to perform this feat?
2. Revan landed on the ground and wheeled around to face the other man. He thrust out with the Force, the impact hitting the soldier square in the chest. (SWTOR: Revan)
Revan simply delivered a Force push in this case.
3. Before they could join in the fight, Revan thrust his hand, palm up, in the direction of the sealed durasteel doors, blasting them wide open with the power of the Force. (SWTOR: Revan)
Was Revan trying hard to perform this feat?
4. Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form. (SWTOR: Revan)
Revan gathered power here but quickly released it in raw form because he had to free himself from Vitiate's telepathic assault as soon as possible for him.
During all of the aforementioned events, Revan demonstrated great self-control instead of going all-out;
No matter how dire circumstances may become, the Jedi Knight trusts the Force and keeps a cool head. Knowledge and self-control are the critical components of wise decisions, and emotional and mental clarity are an absolute necessity. Maintaining focus allows the Knight to rely on intuition; a right mind leads to right action. (SWTOR: Jedi Knight Profile)
Revan is very calculative about his actions.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sure as hell better than saying Revan can do stuff he hasn't shown himself to do.
B/W Revan packs noteworthy surprises as depicted in SWTOR:
This fight represents Revan's confrontation with the Imperial Strike Team in a region known as the Foundary.
Revan demonstrated following;
1. Saber Throw
2. Force push
3. Force Wave
4. Raw telekinetic attacks (Bombarded the region with gigantic rocks)
5. Force Lightning Storm
6. Force invincibility (Defensive application)
7. Mysterious power (Teleportation?)
Revan actually demonstrated greater command of the Force in SWTOR game then Malgus. Go figure...
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Again: Maul pulled down a big starship with ease and has ragdolled Obi-Wan numerous times. Not sure why it's not good enough.
In addition, Kenobi isn't very good at defending himself against Force powers; he isn't noted for having great command of the Force.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sparred with Qui-Gon, Mace and maybe Yoda (can't remember if Yoda was used as well).
Originally posted by Intrepid37
...and? Obi-Wan is always gonna be another distraction.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yes, but not really the kind of stuff we're looking for here. Revan has defeated no one of note in lightsaber combat, including SF-stuff.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He was winning and has fought him evenly thrice.
He lifted the Jedi Master over his head again and hurled him tumbling over the landing deck toward the precipice above the gloom-shrouded drop. Reaching into the Force, Obi-Wan was able to connect with the stone itself as if he were anchored to it with a cable tether; instead of hurtling over the edge he slammed down onto the rock hard enough to crush all breath from his lungs.
Grievous picked up the staff again and charged.
Obi-Wan still couldn't breathe. He had no hope of rising to meet the general's attack. All he could do was extend a hand. As the bio-droid loomed over him, electrostaff raised for the kill, the hold-out blaster flipped from the deck into Obi-Wan's palm and with no hesitation, no second thoughts, not even the faintest pause to savor his victory, he pulled the trigger. (ROTS Novelization)
It was a close call and Obi-Wan got lucky.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
There's also a difference between ''surviving'' and ''winning''/''fighting evenly''.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Here;Again, talking about physical strength.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This is ****ing doomsday.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Had Sidious been there, why not?
Maul had ambitions for sure but he was risking too much to accomplish them; he wasn't strong enough. What surprises me is that the brothers couldn't kill Obi-Wan on Florrum and you portray them as juggernauts of destruction.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
...or because he didn't like the thought of Maul bulding a empire that, in time, could rival Sidious' own?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's still goddamn doomsday.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bunch of quotes and description of TCW feats?
One more thing; Maul didn't exactly destroy Black Son group; he formed an alliance with the group. His capture was a staged event, but he did kill the leader of Black Son to secure its leadership. However, the group itself split in the aftermath.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really an absurd comparison. Like you, I say Maul can do stuff he hasn't shown. We are both playing by the same rules.
Repeat:
You continue to miss my point; we have no example of Revan demonstrating his peak TK abilities yet.
Addition:
We may have witnessed peak TK abilities of Maul; his effort to pull that shuttle off the cliff.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He hasn't?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mastering multiple forms at the highest degree and having absurd strength isn't enough?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku is one of the most powerful Sith in the entire Mythos. No shame being below him in power really.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Skilled in or mastering them all?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
None, other than the quote I gave which sould be enough.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
In desperation due to losing.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He'd win against most of the Council
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Never claimed so. Doesn't mean he isn't good though.
"A… defensive technique. But effective. Use it if you do not wish to be hit, or if you are facing many opponents with blasters. With a lightsaber blade and enough skill in deflection, it is an excellent offense against blasters, but in other situations, it merely delays the inevitable." (Darth Traya)
Obi-Wan have limits too; he gets through lot of situations on the basis of his experience and intelligence. Bladework alone is not sufficient.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, unlike being a ''heart of the force'' or ''nearly unstopable''.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No idea what you're on about.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
How the hell is he gonna overwhelm Maul?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sure.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need to understand that Star Wars is an evolving subject. The continuous expansion often results in retcons.For example:
The present Sith Master, Darth Sidious is the diabolically brilliant mind behind training one of the most dangerous Sith apprentices in history: the deadly Darth Maul. (Episode I Visual Dictionary)
Now this source was published in what year exactly?
Answer: 1999
And how much have changed in Star Wars since then?
Episode II introduced Count Dooku to the lore and he put Maul to shame in terms of capabilities and understanding of the dark side.
In the grand picture of the (updated) lore till date, Maul doesn't looks special and neither does Dooku in the context of knowledge of the dark arts. So why should I ignore all of the latest developments in the mythos and treat information offered in 1999 like a gospel?
Holistic assessment of things is necessary these days.
As I pointed out before:
"It strikes me as unnecessary, but I won't deny his mastery of the Jar'Kai technique. Niman and teräs käsi will never substitute for dun möch, but I appreciate that you have trained him to be a fighting machine rather than a true apprentice." (Darth Plagueis to Darth Sidious)
Darth Maul is one of the most highly trained Sith in the history of the order. (Episode I Visual Dictionary)
And the intended message makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Adi Gallia didn't lose--the hall in the ship exploded and then she and Obi-Wan and Cody were gonna get sucked into space. Grievous ran away and she saved them all.
Her performance against Opress was terrible.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Secondly, I don't really care for Revan's kill-count, because it depends on the kinds of kills he gets. I don't give a flying **** if he brought down a building. There's no building to bring down on a platform. Secondly, he's not gonna have any lightning to deflect back at the team. He doesn't possess every element the team has, and those that he does, the team has to a better extreme with their focused skill division.
I'd say that Revan will disorient the Strike Team with a powerful Force Wave and then unleash his signature FLS to destroy all of his opponents. Happy? Revan send Vitiate packing with his Force Wave like move and also have actually demonstrated the capability to utterly destroy a very powerful opponent with lightning. Revan is a practitioner of all both Jedi and Sith powers; he doesn't strictly adheres to any single philosophy so he can unleash his own lightning which would be logically very potent. Therefore, my claim is more credible then yours.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Both Revan and Maul have brought down Mandalores.
Mandalore the Ultimate was the strongest Mandalorian in the Galaxy in his era and he organized the Mandalorians in to a major fighting force; capable of challenging the mighty Republic head-on. Combat wise, he could subdue a Jedi very easily. He was stronger then even Mandalore the Preserver who assisted Meetra in bringing down Nihilus. Killing such a powerful Mandalore is no small feat. In addition, Revan have slain many Mandalorians during the war and also tackled many Basilisks.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
They have both been reborn. They have both brought down several supports. They are very similar, you realize--but I don't recall him being god of everything, such as lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
The Hero of Tython defeated Vitiate while in a Nexus, and the maul bros can still take HoT down.
Brothers couldn't kill Kenobi and you think that they would take HoT?
HoT have defeated very impressive adversaries in single combat; the list includes expert swordsmen and the mighty Emperor himself. You are absolutely clueless. HoT is likely to decimate the brothers in the similar fashion as Sidious did.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Revan didn't kill Vitiate, and again, he hasn't any chance of assassinating Maul.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
"Revan beats Maul head-on" my ass. He has a team with the combined power to beat Revan head-on, and Maul is capable of soloing Revan, or at least holding off against him. Ever heard the term "Ability vs. Environment", btw?
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Savage can play hookie with Revan like he did with pedestrians and throw him over the rail of the platform. If he tries to get back up, he can suck Maul's metal boot. Then Bo-Katan and Vizsla can bomb him off.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That so-called big starship is a lightweight Eta-class shuttle. Also, Maul didn't actually lift that ship; he pulled it (continuously) towards the edge of the cliff until it fell down on its own. His face expression during the effort suggests that he was trying hard to pull off this feat. Seriously, your exaggerations are getting annoying.
Are you forgetting he did that feat from a fair distance, one handed while being shot at, and after he just had his legs blown off.
The fact that he still managed it shows that under normal circumstances he probably can do it quite easily.
As for the starship being a lightweight, it was still a ship. That's not a normal TK feat in SW.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In addition, Kenobi isn't very good at defending himself against Force powers; he isn't noted for having great command of the Force.
I'm not sure if that's true at all. He always smacks Grievous around with the Force, not something every Jedi seems to manage.
In an early CW episode he was Force pushing Destoryer droids around. And lets not forget his stalemating Sith Anakin in a force push.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHer performance against Opress was terrible.
Even Kenobi has had terrible perfomances against Opress int he past. The guy has defeated Plo Koon and Asajj Ventress.
He may not be skilled but his raw force power and physical strength makes him very dangerous to the vast majority of Jedi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you forgetting he did that feat from a fair distance, one handed while being shot at, and after he just had his legs blown off.The fact that he still managed it shows that under normal circumstances he probably can do it quite easily.
As for the starship being a lightweight, it was still a ship. That's not a normal TK feat in SW.
Some examples:
- Revan effortlessly collapsed a part of the structure from great distance to stop the advance of the reinforcements.
- Marek influenced the movement of an Imperial Starship from great distance.
- Luke manipulated a small blackhole from great distance.
- Sith Emperor controlled his Children from great distance.
As far as injury is concerned, wasn't his legs artificial? Zabraks are also gifted with impressive biological tolerance.
Maul was unfazed from the damage to his legs; he was experiencing no pain; blood loss; weakness and vice versa. Therefore, I don't think the damage to legs made any difference. I maintain my point that Maul could not perform that feat easily.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm not sure if that's true at all. He always smacks Grievous around with the Force, not something every Jedi seems to manage.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In an early CW episode he was Force pushing Destoryer droids around. And lets not forget his stalemating Sith Anakin in a force push.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Even Kenobi has had terrible perfomances against Opress int he past. The guy has defeated Plo Koon and Asajj Ventress.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He may not be skilled but his raw force power and physical strength makes him very dangerous to the vast majority of Jedi.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nicely put; but Maul isn't unique at performing a decent feat from great distance.Some examples:
- Revan collapsed a part of the structure from great distance to stop the advance of the reinforcements.
- Marek influenced the movement of an Imperial Starship from great distance.
- Luke manipulated a small blackhole from great distance.
- Sith Emperor controlled his Children from great distance.
Well 3 out of your 4 examples there are confirmed to be elite force beats.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As far as injury is concerned, wasn't his legs artificial? Zabraks are also gifted with impressive biological tolerance.Maul was unfazed from the damage to his legs; he was experiencing no pain; blood loss; weakness and vice versa. Therefore, I don't think the damage to legs made any difference. I maintain my point that Maul could not perform that feat easily.
He was busy deflecting blaster shots with one hand. He did the feat one handed. He did the feat relatively quickly.
Stuggling would be associated with him standing there, not distracted by anything else, and it still taking him a while to accomplish the feat.
The circumstances in which he performed the feat though were very impressive. Because it was in the midst of a desperate situation, so was not just a TK feat, but an impressive combat feat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Any well-trained Jedi can ragdoll Grievous with telekinetic abilities. It is not a big thing. I recall that Mace permanently injured Grievous with his telekinetic abilities. In addition, Mace remarked that Grievous is a coward and typically flees when he finds himself in danger. Grievous is practically defenseless against Force powers; his long survival is PIS.
No not anyone can do that. Kit Fisto force pushed Grievous but it didn't end the fight.
Again Mace is another elite force beast. Bringing up elite force beasts does not prove anything, since they are not your average Jedi who are accomplishing such feats.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That is expected from any well-trained Jedi. Being a Jedi Master, Obi-Wan shouldn't be a weakling and neither I expect him to be. However, my point is that Obi-Wan doesn't have Jedi Consular like abilities.
No it's not really expected.
The only other people I've seen throwing around Destroyer Droids mid-fight are Mace and a Rage enhanced Opress.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Opress is good; he was lacking in formal training.I agree; but he doesn't stands a chance against the elites.
Of course. But then elites are only a handful. As of the PT they are 2 Jedi, 2 Sith and 1 Skywalker.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well 3 out of your 4 examples there are confirmed to be elite force beats.
- Tulak Hord pulled a Starship from the sky to the ground.
- Vader once Force choked an officer from great distance?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He was busy deflecting blaster shots with one hand. He did the feat one handed. He did the feat relatively quickly.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Stuggling would be associated with him standing there, not distracted by anything else, and it still taking him a while to accomplish the feat.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The circumstances in which he performed the feat though were very impressive. Because it was in the midst of a desperate situation, so was not just a TK feat, but an impressive combat feat.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No not anyone can do that. Kit Fisto force pushed Grievous but it didn't end the fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Again Mace is another elite force beast. Bringing up elite force beasts does not prove anything, since they are not your average Jedi who are accomplishing such feats.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No it's not really expected.The only other people I've seen throwing around Destroyer Droids mid-fight are Mace and a Rage enhanced Opress.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Of course. But then elites are only a handful. As of the PT they are 2 Jedi, 2 Sith and 1 Skywalker.
A glimpse:
One Sith Lord survived—Darth Bane—and his vision for the Sith differed from that of his predecessors. He instituted a new doctrine: No longer would the followers of the dark side build empires or amass great armies of Force-users. There would be only two Sith at a time: a Master and an apprentice. From that time on, the Sith remained in hiding, biding their time and plotting their revenge, while the rest of the galaxy enjoyed an unprecedented era of peace, so long and strong that the Republic eventually dismantled its standing armies.
But while the Republic seemed strong, its institutions had begun to rot. Greedy corporations sought profits above all else and a corrupt Senate did nothing to stop them, until the corporations reduced many planets to raw materials for factories and entire species became subjects for exploitation. Individual Jedi continued to defend the Republic's citizens and obey the will of the Force, but the Jedi Order to which they answered grew increasingly out of touch. And a new Sith mastermind, Darth Sidious, at last saw a way to restore Sith domination over the galaxy and its inhabitants, and quietly worked to set in motion the revenge of the Sith … (SWTOR: Revan)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I recall more examples:- Tulak Hord pulled a Starship from the sky to the ground.
- Vader once Force choked an officer from great distance?
Not sure about Hord, but Vader's an Uber Force beast.
And Maul's feat is actually one of the higher end feats we've witnessed in higher canon.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You should re-watch the video; yes, he performed the feat with one hand but he fully concentrated on it. Also, he continuously pulled until the Shuttle fell off the cliff; it was not a work of a mere gesture. The shuttle was already standing very close to the edge of the cliff so Maul didn't had to invest lot of time to make it fall. Don't get me wrong; feat is impressive and confirms that Maul is strong in the Force. However, their is no need to exaggerate it.
I'm hardly exaggerating it. The guy just had his legs blown off. You say that wouldn't hurt him or effect him at all. I find that hard to believe but fine. He was being carried by his brother and had to deflect blaster fire himself, as his brother had no free arm to do so.
In the small gap he had to stop deflecting blaster fire power he pulled down that craft.
Even if he did it with difficulty. Surely from a stationery position, being closer to the Craft and using both hands (i.e. all his power) it should be relatively easy for him.
I would definitely give him more credit for that then I would give Opress for force pushing a Larger Jedi craft, but doing so from a stationery and less desperate position.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIs Grievous resistant to Force powers? As I pointed out before, Grievous's long survival is a product of PIS. This or many PT era Jedi seriously lack in Force mastery department. Don't get me wrong; Grievous is a marvel of engineering but a Jedi with decent level of Force mastery should be able to dominate him in combat..
Well all I know is Kit Fisto force pushed him and he took it, and carried on fighting. Whilst every time Kenobi force pushed him he ran for his life, and was usually disarmed of all his weapons.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDestroyer Droid is not a big machine.
And yet they usually have Jedi on the run. Kenobi was pushing one with enough force to take out several other droids. That's not the usual Force TK we see from Jedi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not sure about Hord, but Vader's an Uber Force beast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm hardly exaggerating it. The guy just had his legs blown off. You say that wouldn't hurt him or effect him at all. I find that hard to believe but fine. He was being carried by his brother and had to deflect blaster fire himself, as his brother had no free arm to do so.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In the small gap he had to stop deflecting blaster fire power he pulled down that craft.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Even if he did it with difficulty. Surely from a stationery position, being closer to the Craft and using both hands (i.e. all his power) it should be relatively easy for him.
Even if we are to assume that Maul has got some more in him then this feat; do you think that Maul can actually lift that aircraft? I doubt it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well all I know is Kit Fisto force pushed him and he took it, and carried on fighting. Whilst every time Kenobi force pushed him he ran for his life, and was usually disarmed of all his weapons.
Fisto is also noted for his swordsmanship skills rather then command of the Force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yet they usually have Jedi on the run. Kenobi was pushing one with enough force to take out several other droids. That's not the usual Force TK we see from Jedi.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those weren't his real legs, right?
Luke didn't chop off Vader's real arm when Vader shouted right?
Luke was in pain when his fake hand was shot right?
In the Clone War mini, Anakin did scream when his cyborg arm was blown up right?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even if we are to assume that Maul has got some more in him; do you think that Maul can lift that aircraft? Somehow I doubt this.
If he's just standing there right next to it, and uses all his power then I don't see why not. Of course I can't prove that he could though. But it seems reasonable given the context in which he moved the craft.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fisto's Force push did put him down for a moment. Fisto is also noted for his swordsmanship skills rather then command of the Force.
He is a Council Member. And yet Kenobi's Force pushes have always been far more effective against Grievous. So clearly Kenobi is not weak in that department.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Because of their firepower. Though I don't see why handling a droid of that size with the Force would be such a difficult task for a Jedi.
Do you have examples of regular Jedi Force pushing objects that size to that extent, crushing other droids in their path?
Kenobi's TK is clearly a fair bit above your average Jedi by feats.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Luke didn't chop off Vader's real arm when Vader shouted right?Luke was in pain when his fake hand was shot right?
In the Clone War mini, Anakin did scream when his cyborg arm was blown up right?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If he's just standing there right next to it, and uses all his power then I don't see why not. Of course I can't prove that he could though. But it seems reasonable given the context in which he moved the craft.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He is a Council Member. And yet Kenobi's Force pushes have always been far more effective against Grievous. So clearly Kenobi is not weak in that department.
Is having great power a requirement for securing a seat in the Jedi Order Council?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Do you have examples of regular Jedi Force pushing objects that size to that extent, crushing other droids in their path?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Kenobi's TK is clearly a fair bit above your average Jedi by feats.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Luke didn't chop off Vader's real arm when Vader shouted right?Luke was in pain when his fake hand was shot right?
In the Clone War mini, Anakin did scream when his cyborg arm was blown up right?
Those were proper cybernetc legs though, that were likely actually attached to nerves etc. Maul had robot legs attached by magic.