Mostly asking about whether anything indicates that, once he got around to ramping up his Force Lightning enough to a point that would execute Luke after all that torture, is it plausible he was going all out by the time Vader threw him down the reactor shaft?
Not being reduced to ashes is already impressive for both parties for Sidious' Lightning being hilariously above Starkiller's Clone's amplified Lightning from FUII (about 40-50 seconds of constant stream vs the 3 or so from Sidious), but there's still room for more depending on any contextual evidence about how much Sidious was actually putting into his shocks. :hmm
Basically, does the novel/script/comics say anything here in more detail than the film?
It just says the Lightning was getting progressively stronger. It obviously wasn't at full strength, however, as Luke was putting up no resistance towards the end and was still alive. It also speaks of Luke trying to use Tutaminis which was rather effect at first, so yeah, it was getting stronger.
If we take Yoda's visions to be a canon indications of his powers, then I'd say no:
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Renders Anakin - who is probably roughly around as powerful as Luke - unconscious instantly. The fact that even at the end, Luke was still conscious, suggests it wasn't full power. Still, pretty powerful to be sure, but certainly not all out.
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Why wouldn't he? But regardless, I just re-watched that bit and yeah he was still alive apparently.
Anyway though, Sidious' Lighting was noted as being ramped up in intensity so there is clear indication that Sidious' Lighting in that instance wasn't as powerful as ROTJ Lighting.
Plus it's a vision...that and ROTJ is more powerful than his ROTS self.
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How? I think the fact that he one-shotted Anakin Skywalker is a clear indicating that Sidious' lighting was certainly more powerful in this instance.
Doesn't matter if Sidious got stronger. Fact is in this instance Sidious did better, so clearly this is not Sidious max capacity, because he can do better. A difference in power would only be relevant if Sidious had gotten weaker.
Yes it's a vision, but given that in all other respects the characters are accurately represented, we have no reason to believe the writers would decide to misrepresent his powers.Don't think the scripts are canon anymore.
At any rate, I noted that it was intensity ramping up heading towards lethal. Plus Luke also used the Force to briefly deflect some of it, which Anakin didn't do in that vision. That and in that vision, Sidious wasn't toying around like he did with Luke.
So...so then the movies aren't canon anymore then?...Why wouldn't the scripts be? They literally are the movie.
I'm asking you. The fact that it was described as ramped up in intensity doesn't make it better than a demonstrably inferior feat. Evidently the ROTS feat was ramped up more.
Concerning tutanimis... meh. Dubiously canon. Either way I don't think it would make up for the disparity. Sidious was shocking him for a long time. The script would also seem to suggest that his tutanimis was only initially effective, not when Sidious ramped it up.
Concerning scripts, not everything from the script makes it into the movie.
For example nowhere is Luke seen to be initially successful against deflecting his lightning.
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There are points in the scene where it's off camera, it could very well happen there. So...yeah, it's possible, just because it isn't shown doesn't mean it didn't happen, otherwise there would be no point in writing it in the script at all.
You also have in ESB with Han drawing his blaster faster than a wink of an eye at Vader, yet clearly Ford isn't that fast with his draw on screen, yet the script makes of how fast the character Han Solo is with his draw. What is seen or isn't seen on screen, doesn't mean the script is invalid.
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"Deflecting energy" is not referred to as "Tutaminis" in the script.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."