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MGS4 Bosses/characters vs MGS1 bosses/characters

Some spoilers of characters from MGS4, so don't check if you don't want some secrets about them spoiled.




The renegade Foxhound and the two intruders of Shadow moses face off against the B&B unit and their superiors. (Plus Old Snake and Raiden)

You simply state who wins in the matches that are already put in there, then if you feel like it, you can match the survivors against each other to see which team prevails.


MGS1: Gray Fox vs Raiden : MGS4

Solid Snake vs Old Snake.

Liquid Snake vs Liquid Ocelot. (Unarmed, since we don't see anything else from LO.)

Vulcan Raven vs Raging Raven.

Ocelot vs Laughing Octopus.

Sniper Wolf vs Crying Wolf.

Psycho Mantis vs Screaming Mantis.

Since Decoy Octopus is basically worthless, I'll just put Gray Fox back again...

Gray Fox vs Vamp. (One with Vamp as he normally is, and one when his nanomachines are suppressed.


Every fight is where you fight the characters in MGS1. So Gray Fox matches = Hal's Laboratory, etc.


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Well seeing how Psycho Mantis was controlling Screaming Mantis....

I also believe Raiden was a lot stronger


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Very true Mairuzu.

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MGS1: Gray Fox vs Raiden : MGS4
---Judging from what ive seen in the game, raiden was a lot stronger than gray fox

Solid Snake vs Old Snake.
---Solid snake takes the cake

Liquid Snake vs Liquid Ocelot. (Unarmed, since we don't see anything else from LO.)
--- If you base it off the final battle, Liquid ocelot was tougher than liquid snake

Vulcan Raven vs Raging Raven.
---I'm gonna have to go with Raging raven because of her speed and flight ability


Ocelot vs Laughing Octopus.
---This sounds like an interesting fight, i really don't know...


Sniper Wolf vs Crying Wolf.
---Well seeing how crying wolf has the machine to guard her

then again Sniperwolf has very good accuracy



Psycho Mantis vs Screaming Mantis.
well seeing how psycho mantis was controlling screaming mantis....

Since Decoy Octopus is basically worthless, I'll just put Gray Fox back again...

Gray Fox vs Vamp. (One with Vamp as he normally is, and one when his nanomachines are suppressed.
---- Gray fox


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MGS1: Gray Fox vs Raiden : MGS4
Gray Fox, Raiden might've owned those Gekkos but when it came to fighting someone half decent he got owned.
Solid Snake vs Old Snake.
Well, they're essentially the same person so I'm gonna go with Old Snake. His only real disadvantage is back pains, as long as he keeps poppin' that syringe in. Besides, he has the solid eye and octocamo.
Liquid Snake vs Liquid Ocelot. (Unarmed, since we don't see anything else from LO.)
Going to have to say Liquid ocelot. The guy can take a hit, and he's as limber as ever.
Vulcan Raven vs Raging Raven.
Tough call, and I don't know where this fight is taking place. But if I had to venture at a guess I'd say Raging Raven. She's got speed and the snow on her side, if she flies high enough she might be able to become pretty much invisible to Vulcan, and sneak attack him with the grenade launcher. If she flies low though Vulcan will tear her up.
Ocelot vs Laughing Octopus.
Laughing octopus for sure. Octocamo and rolling ball of death lead to a quick win. Aside from that Ocelot only has a six-shot, and she can deflect bullets.
Sniper Wolf vs Crying Wolf.
Depends, if Crying wolf is smart she'll just charge at Sniper and beat the shat out of her. But if she tries to snipe I think Sniper wolf might win.
Psycho Mantis vs Screaming Mantis.
I guess psycho since he's controlling her.

Gray Fox vs Vamp. (One with Vamp as he normally is, and one when his nanomachines are suppressed.
Gray Fox for the win, Raiden was stupid and didn't finish it when he had the chance. Besides I think GF is the better fighter out of Raiden and him. So GF gets Vamp down and lops off his head, end of story.


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Interesting views guys.


Oh, and for the sake of the fight (since it's already established he'd control her), let's make Psycho Mantis unable to control Screaming Mantis, and they'll have to match each other with their powers. (Like, shooting electricity, moving objects, throwing knives, controlling nanomachines, etc.)


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If he wasn't controlling her



he'd control her right away hahahahah


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I'd like to focus more on Grey fox vs Raiden...

Raiden seems more skilled with his sword...

for crying out loud he used his foot! and his mouth!

not to mention stopping outer haven from hitting snake... i mean come on, he also lived through multible stabs wounds in and out

loss two arms...

one of which he cut off himself


Raiden wins


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Those are some good points for Raiden. Another one to prove his awesome swordsmanship is that he defeated Solidus 6 years earlier, while Solidus had a powered suit that enhanced all his abilities, two snake arms (similar to Laughing Octopus') and two swords. Now he has 5/6 years of more experienced and training, and he has an exoskeleton himself which increases all his abilities.


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agreed


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I think Raiden outclasses GF in MGS4, as Mair stated why...that guy can take a hell of a beating and still gets up to fight again.

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Yeah but the problem is when he gets up to fight he gets his ass handed to him. He can take on mindless Gekko's and frogs, but he got owned both times he fought Vamp.


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he's beaten vamp 3 times already

and vamp is not an easy target


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Think of it this way, whos alive right now? stick out tongue


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I never quite got this one, was Vamp faking loss the first time Raiden and he fought in MGS4? (Where he fell backwards, and Raiden did his victory pose thing). Did he sustain enough damage to have to re-awaken with his nanos, or did he fake unconsciousness because he wanted Naomi to get away?


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Originally posted by Mairuzu
Think of it this way, whos alive right now? stick out tongue

Raiden because he's a frickin' robot. Raiden got the crap kicked out of him both times he fought Vamp. If he had the same system as Vamp in that second fight he'd be dead. He got his frickin' hands stabbed into his back. Raiden's just not that good of a fighter compared to someone of GF's caliber.


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He still has his heart in tact.

We don't exactly know how good GF would have been against vamp... we'll never know

He only got one hand stabbed into his back, that was actually kinda funny


Again, vamp isn't just any soldier, hes very skilled.


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Originally posted by Mairuzu
He still has his heart in tact.

We don't exactly know how good GF would have been against vamp... we'll never know

He only got one hand stabbed into his back, that was actually kinda funny


Again, vamp isn't just any soldier, hes very skilled.

He had both stabbed into his back, watch the video again. Vamp is skilled yes, but are you saying the GF isn't? Raiden relies too heavily upon his robotic form to save him, he has shat for defenses. Imagine what would've happened in either of his vamp fights if he hadn't had that suit. He just took pretty much everything Vamp threw at him, now that's all fine and dandy when you're getting little knives thrown at you, but when you have a blade go through you, not quite the same affect.


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Of course GF is skilled, thats a give in


GF without a suit is nothing as well

and did you not see raiden still got up and fought after sticking a blade inside himself? or cutting off his own arm?

or getting stabbed by 4 enemies?


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Originally posted by Mairuzu
Of course GF is skilled, thats a give in


GF without a suit is nothing as well

and did you not see raiden still got up and fought after sticking a blade inside himself? or cutting off his own arm?

or getting stabbed by 4 enemies?

I'm pretty sure after he stabbed himself and Vamp the fight ended, could be wrong but if it didn't end there it ended shortly after. Though it is true losing his arm did little. I'm not talking about a petty little stab though, I'm talking about Gray Fox lopping stuff off, or sticking stuff straight through him. Raiden stabbed himself, and didn't seem to even try to block Vamp's blades. GF on the other hand dodges like crazy, he relies heavily on defense as well as offense. I just don't think Raiden has enough defensive skills to win it for him.


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