Rock takes this one. SF1 Ryu is very inexperienced and his only power feat is smashing a block of bricks and slabs...which is a bonus stage and most likely not even canon.
yes, but Ryu never sparred with Gouken. even in official art all we see them do is perform katas and specific moves together. but nothing else, while Rock not only sparred with Terry but watched him fight AND got into fights of his own.
That doesn't make it any less effective, gouken had to at least show them the techniques for thwem to use them, and he was guiding them all along. This goes back to the Terry vs Ryu debate, reread that thread about the "Dojo Dorking" bit. It's not as bad as you seem to make it sound.
like i said, Gouken was a grandmaster in his own right and he obviously taught ryu everything he needed to know on the theory level. totally agree. but at the end of the day he wasn't fighting for survival nor was he trading blows with gouken. not like Rock was with his trainer, Terry. not like terry was with the people he fought in the streets of Southtown.
Dojo dorking at the end of the day is like a controlled lab experiment. not feild work.
THAT is the difference.
because theory is one thing. on-hands experience is another.
sparring in a dojo is one thing. imitating your master is another.
sparring in a dojo is one thing. fighting for survival on the streets is another.
SF1 was the first time he left home, darko. he didn't become a professional hobbo until gouken was killed...and that happened AFTER SF1.
it was a rough example, foo.
guidance=got from terry
sparring=gouken never sparred with ryu
perfecting=got from terry
so that's one of the three things that Ryu never got. yes, i know Gouken was great and all that but at the end of the day Ryu only had dojo training. not hands-on street survival fighting. THAT is the point. why is it so hard to understand? its a simple point. even if you get the best teacher in the world, as long as you don't have experience and hands-on experience of real fighting your dojo dorking wont get you anywhere with a real fighter. a fact well demonstrated in Ryu pwnage at the hands of Sagat.
bullshit. all gouken ever did was get his ass smacked around, has no feats, and rips off Marco from MOTW, and whose only greatest feat is being dead for almost a decade.
~Sado
Last edited by Sado22 on Nov 19th, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Seriously? The dude was on Alpha Akuma level, beat Akuma, master of Ansatsuken and can lift water off entire waterfalls wit regular punches. Some of the things you say about SF characters makes it hard to take you seriously, dude.
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till SF4 gouken has no feats. thats the point. when he died he had no feats. when he trained ryu he had no feats. this was all during SF1 when he had no feats.
and "BEATING SOMEONE IS NOT A FEAT" mofo
so Jinpachi can destroy all existence on earth then and hence>>Gouki right?
and Gouken beat down rookie Gouki who still hadn't reached full potential at the time. m0ther****ker, i'm talking SF1, foo. don't be talkin SF4 with me!
Kinda, if the game says he can then why not, but seein' as how he can only do so when there are no other characters to stop'im and Akuma is no regular human and does not exist in Tekken, he will step to Akuma and get phucked up...ROYALLY
What you say don't matter. Capcom still has given evidence that Akuma and Gouken are around the same level and that the only reason Akuma won was cuz he used the SGS and Gouken wouldn't. Thus Gouken was the best in the world when Ryu was in his dojo days. Akuma was that "rookie" durin' the dojo days and was not the best which proves my point.
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no, after their first fight Gouken warned ryu and ken, that akuma would return and at that time he'd be stronger than gouken. by the time they fought, Gouken was smackead around as always. and here's the real biatch.....there is no evidence that he used the SGS.
get your facts straight.
Smacked around as always? How many times has Gouken been smacked around? You doing the typical "Sado hates SF characters so he says bullshit about them so you shouldn't pay attention to him" shit?