I've spent several years abroad, been to about 15 different countries. Americans are...well we are not dumb, I just think years of taking for granted that we are constantly being told the truth and constantly being told "we are the best" has seriously degenerated our ability to think rationally for ourselves.
I actually plan on changing my citizenship if I do not get my dream job (working with tigers and bears). Not sure where yet. I really really loved Japan as I was stationed there for a few years.
Media is definitely partisan. Where does one ascertain the truth? If you weren't there, in what cases can you say with any sort of honesty that you know what occurred in any given situation?
That's because they work with sick people, and hospitals are pretty filthy environments.
This doesn't mean the specialist conditions of the hospital can be applied to society at large.
For example, welders wear visors that protect their eyes from the light. This doesn't mean society should all wear welding visors because the sun exists.
I'm not anti mask in a hospital, I'm anti mask everywhere else and especially so if the government is forcing it on the citizenry.
If a mask can offer a layer of protection in a hospital where sick people go and as you said are "pretty filthy environments", then they can protect you in is less severe places.
Very poor analogy, as people do wear sun glasses to protect their corneas from the sun. You're being asked to wear a simple mask, not a hazmat suit, dude.
Honestly, it's sounds like you're very anti-mask with the "muh freedoms" angle.
So according to you masks can help prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals, but can not help prevent the spread of diseases outside of them? Is that what you are saying?
I'm really not sure if they do, just because we've done it for a while doesn't mean it's right, similar to the case of circumcision.
I'd like to think they do, but again not sure.
So we'll so yes to the hospital one, based on my feelings.
No in terms of outside a hospital based on statistical data.
However that statistical data can be explained in multiple ways; for example, if the covid infection and death rates are recorded incorrectly for whatever reason, or if enough people aren't being compliant, or if people are wearing the wrong mask, etc.
I'm not saying masks are ineffective or effective, I'm asking someone to explain the fact that in numerous places, despite multiple mask mandates, the infection rate kept going up, as if the masks didn't really help at all.
The two links I posted graph them in a pretty simplistic way that even I could understand, so I'm asking you to look at them and explain why they say what they do if masks are as effective as they're supposed to be. I can repost the links if you want.
Last I checked, the data is sketchy. Even Mayo Clinic is full of qualifiers like "may", or "common sense says".
We're mostly just doing it because, hey, how can it hurt?
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Top notch, Ellimist and the Star Wars kids were the worst for that. Then they discovered almost everyone here had degrees, and many work or worked in the STEM fields that they held in such high regard and weren't that impressed by a 14 to 18-year-old expert reading a book and telling us what they wanted to be before life grinds them down. Once realising they STFU and left KMC. However, I would take those kids over the vacuous far-right trolls, posting purely based of some YouTuber's opinion, although there was some overlap between each group.
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That's a pretty biased form of trying to get your point across.
Also it should be noted that all talks about is when mask mandates were added with the cases graph.
It never talks about how many people were following those mandates. That's the more important number and we can honestly say here in America it's been a pretty uphill battle to get certain groups to reliably wear them.
It's also important to note no one is saying a mask is 100% guaranteed to prevent you from getting covid. It only reduces the chance of you spreading it. Which is why social distancing is still a higher priority and the combination of the wearing a mask and social distancing greatly decrease the chance of people spreading the virus.
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Top notch, Ellimist and the Star Wars kids were the worst for that. Then they discovered almost everyone here had degrees, and many work or worked in the STEM fields that they held in such high regard and weren't that impressed by a 14 to 18-year-old expert reading a book and telling us what they wanted to be before life grinds them down. Once realising they STFU and left KMC. However, I would take those kids over the vacuous far-right trolls, posting purely based of some YouTuber's opinion, although there was some overlap between each group.
