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Leo's Tourney--Match 2--Pool A--CDB vs Omega

BF--rainforest in western canada

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match closes FRI at midnight.

judges names forthcoming

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Omega Vision wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 12:35 PM:
Official Post #0
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Opening Post
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Amalgam: Michael Cage (Code Name: the Terminator) (Deathstroke, Luke Cage, Mister Terrific)

411 on my amalgam's capabilities:

Intelligence/Tactics:

In Mister Terrific and Deathstroke you have two of the smartest persons in the DCU who have proven time and time again to be quite good at thinking on their feet as well as being excellent prepsters who can work with very little time to devise methods of defeating more powerful enemies.

Mister Terrific's mighty brain:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/...ntelligence.jpg
(Also of note is the fact that he's an Olympic level athlete. Multiply that times ten now and you get a very nimble individual)

Here's Deathstroke dealing with Aquaman with next to no time to prepare:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/...stroke057wg.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/...stroke062oi.jpg

When you combine two minds as great as Slade Wilson and Michael Holt you don't double the thinking power, you increase it exponentially, add to it the experience of a seasoned hero (and more importantly, a resident of Marvel) Luke Cage and you have one dangerous customer.

Skill: This is really where my Amalgam dominates thanks to Deathstroke. Black Canary is one superb fighter and she's easily the best h/h fighter in CBD's roster but she fails against Deathstroke. He can and has beaten her in combat.
If there's still any doubt here's him owning Batman (again):
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8891/bmvds16qm.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1034/bmvds29ye.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/839/bmvds37xt.jpg
Mister Terrific is none too shabby either:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/...kbeltsinsix.jpg

Speed: Again speed is a major factor here. Deathstroke is proven to be much faster than any human, some estimates put him at 10x faster than a normal human while other examples show him to be fast enough to dodge bullets and Starfire's Starbolts.
http://img206.imageshack.us/i/newte...ns01011xk0.jpg/
He can also evade and seemingly match Superman's reaction time:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/...man68p19dp9.jpg

Strength/Durability: Deathstroke's serum works by increasing natural human strength tenfold, added to that Cage's two treatments and you have a brick with strength that exceeds the cap (so he's capped at Class 50).

As for durability Deathstroke on his own is able to roll with punches from Aquaman and Starfire whereas Cage can take the Class 100 equivalent blows of Iron Fist and Iron Man like a champ when his guard is up.

Lasers only tickle him:
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/...rent=img011.jpg

Equipment: Standard equipment for Luke Cage is a jacket that is just as durable as his skin (said to be as durable as Titanium but his skin has stood up to stronger than that so its likely stronger than titanium) while Mister Terrific brings to the table his T-Spheres and T-Mask.

Now in addition to all the lovely things that the T-Spheres can do that I listed in my previous match (Holography, explosions, electric shocks) they can also levitate objects, including people allowing for flight. This can somewhat compensate for the flight advantage that M brings to CBD's table.

Deathstroke brings to the table his Staff which is shown to have at least the power of a rocket launcher since it easily destroyed a helicopter (and not Black Hawk Down style either, the thing was incinerated) as well as a sword which he is quite skilled in the use of.

Prep:
The Terminator will spend his ten seconds of prep coming up with a flexible strategy for dealing with his opponent(s). Recognizing Black Canary's scream as perhaps the most dangerous weapon in the enemy arsenal he'll take the necessary step to prepare for it by tearing off a large piece of his jacket (something which would be as easy for him as you tearing apart your own skin would be for you) and tying it up so that it becomes something resembling a face bag.

The battle:
The Terminator will right off the bat send five of his T-Spheres to fan out and explore the surrounding forest, given his reflexes>anyone's on CBD's side the T-Spheres will be on the move before anyone else can move a muscle, essentially as soon as the proverbial bell rings. T T-Spheres will essentially relay a map of the entire field back to the Terminator who with the help of his T-Mask will now know exactly where everyone is. One T-Sphere will remain with the Terminator.

The T-Spheres that have been sent out will create an army of holographic T-Sphere duplicates that will confuse and disorient the enemy.

Now assuming they are individuals:

Terminator will know exactly where everyone is thanks to the T-Spheres and T-Mask.

M, assuming she's flying can be dealt with in a number of ways, either with T-Spheres a staff blast or by the Terminator (using his T-Sphere to grant himself levitation/flight) taking the fight to her in the sky, a fight she cannot hope to win should he catch her.

Charcoal being more or less a grounded brick will be easy pickings for the Terminator who can defeat him rather easily in h/h with his great strength and skill.

Black Canary can be defeated either in h/h, with a sneak attack by a T-Sphere, or with a bag to the face:
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/...3pg067ib4sk.jpg
Now in this case it would be less PIS since this bag would have the strength of NASA grade titanium.

Assuming an amalgamation:
The resulting amalgamation would still lack anything approaching the Terminator's level of skill, strength, or combat speed.

Using a T-Sphere duo to both make himself invisible (by projecting a hologram over himself that matches with the background) and to provide levitation along with other T-Spheres running interference the Terminator can sneak up on the amalgamation and using his titanium-strength face bag pull a suffocation win. The Sonic Scream is useless without the necessary air and outlet (an open, unobstructed mouth) to power it.

If necessary the Terminator can think up a new plan on the fly given his thinking speed is superior even to M's impressive mental acuity.


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quote:

Charlotte DeBel wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 11:03 AM:
Operation Screaming Death

Battlefield: temperate rainforest, Canadian West Coast
Team “The Blonde, The B*tch and The Brudda”

Battlefield roster:
The Bird of Prey (Monet+Black Canary)
Charcoal (goes solo)

The quick look at my team.

Starting with Monet St Croix.
First of all, she is the queen of speed in this tourney- EASILY the fastest character drafted

As for flight speed, her top one=the top one allowed in the tourney...aka Mach 1. Sound barrier, meet Monet, Monet, meet sound barrier.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...cans/mach1m.jpg


Also here's some combat applicable speed feats
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...-X-072---17.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...-X-072---17.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...-X-072---19.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...-X-072---20.jpg
Owns some thugs with some impressive bullet catching and speed evading (grabs Jubilee from the line of fire AFTER the shot was fired at her from pretty close range). Also casually mindwipes folks in the train after the whole ordeal.

More bullet catching (and throwing bullets back with force enough to wound people)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX065-05.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX065-06.jpg

Just some cool ownage scene
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX066-04.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX066-05.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX066-06.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX066-07.jpg
Note she catches all the bullets fired at her on two thin metal beams, even though she doesn’t need to (she’s bulletproof)

Superspeed information processing (speed reading)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ion_X_64_15.jpg

Durability
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tor_015_014.jpg
Bulletproof
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ion_X_31_09.jpg
“It’s cool to be invulnerable!”
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ion_X_48_15.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ion_X_48_16.jpg
Blasts from pissed off Jubilee are treated like some joke
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...y-Meganpg04.jpg
The voltage “enough to kill 20 grown men” is only enough to knock her out.

Strength
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX010-16.jpg
Flies while carrying a jeep
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...23_DCP_0023.jpg
Same with elevator full of people
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX022-07.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tionX022-08.jpg
Lifts and tosses a large jeep
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...y-Meganpg21.jpg
Holds the roof of building

Senses
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tor_020_015.jpg
“Invisibility is useless when you fight a telepath with superhearing..."

Remember that, kids… now move on.

Black Canary. Her most dangerous weapon is her sonic scream- especially when it goes into ultrasonic spectrum
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...jla-jsa-049.jpg
EVERYONE in the White House who has a human anathomy was KOed by that (and luckily the only character with unhuman body on the battlefield belongs into my team). Normally she needs full concentration (and some outside help) to pull this stunt, however, Class 20 body means that every muscle in her body, including the diaphragm ones, is enhanced and strong enough to give the pressure necessary for the trick. That’s also something Deathstroke doesn’t know about and doesn't rely on to face (Canary, OTOH, is quite familiar with both Deathstroke and Mr. Terrific).

Some tech-destroying stuff (Amazo and Kilg%re beware)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...Zone-Meganp.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...fPrey127003.jpg

Large area effect stuff- mountain destroying scream
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/batgirl06721.jpg/

KOes Giganta
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Scans/11.jpg
KOes Wonder Woman-powered Black Alice
http://img230.imageshack.us/i/birdsofprey96020.jpg/
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/...ofprey97007.jpg

Once again, with stronger lung muscles courtesy of Ms St Croix all that stuff has become much easier and much more devastating.

She’s also an expert MA and is pretty good at dodging stuff
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ans/JSA0613.jpg
Her vs Black Adam.

And the last one in my squad is Charcoal
Some pretty basic stuff
http://img374.imageshack.us/i/cflame031dh.jpg/
Flame blasts
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts50p14.jpg
Hot enough to melt steel alloys of advanced battle suit


Max flight speed- enough to keep up with Moonstone and Songbird in race for their lives from opening mini-blackhole
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts30p08.jpg

Some general display of powers and abilitites (shifting into various forms, growing shields, general strength stuff)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts19p15.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts19p16.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts19p17.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts19p18.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts23p11.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbolts23p16.jpg

Enough for showcasing, let’s go to battle

The combat strategy
In the opening 10 seconds M and Canary amalgamate, Bird of Prey establishes mindlink between herself and Charlie, and everyone takes to the air.

Immediately at the initial second of the battle my team flies above the forests- Bird of Prey does that at Mach 1 speed, Charlie- kinda slower but also on top of his game. The initial task of Bird of Prey is to use her TP and superhearing to locate sings of human activity in the area. Since we're in the forest and the only humans in the area is the opposing team, it will be easy.

Even if there's a number of false positives AKA T-Sphere projected holograms, hologear to fool telepath is quite sophisticated stuff, requires either great deal of prep or being expert in TP, and Terrific did it only once. He has 6 T-spheres, so he can at best create 6 false positives of his team, leaving him ammo-less (Deathstroke's staff alone is not enough to deal sufficient KTFO damage even to Charcoal, let alone Bird of Prey).

The ultrasonic scream which is what I need to KO your team covers quite large area (Canary was able to KO everyone in the White House from the roof of nearby building, and your team is either baseline humans or enhanced humans- Deathstroke’s superhearing even makes matters worse for him) and I only need a couple in every direction- one will surely connect.

Charcoal follows the psychic guiding of Bird of Prey (BoP for shorts), flying into the areas where enemies are detected and unleashing destructive fiery blasts burning down areas of the forest. The blasts of fire serve two purposes- they either detonate the T-Spheres you use for false positives, or provoke the attack from your team thus revealing your real location.

If you knock Charcoal down with a T-Sphere or two, no biggie, that’s acceptable loss (and he regenerates pretty quickly as long as he’s not dispersed into the dust and there’s carbon around, scans are to be posted).

As for BoP, Canary is good at dodging stuff… now her mind and skillset is added to the one of genuine speedster, so if you don’t believe she can dodge and destroy with sonic blast something that moves at the exact same speed as she does... that's borderline stupid.

In short, the strategy is pretty basic.
1. Fly high above forest
2. Use superhearing and TP to locate your guys.
3. Hit with some ultrasonic blasts akin to the one that owned the guards of the White House until you’re KTFOed.
4. Celebration!


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Official post #1

Wow, darling... your humbly admission of knowing nothing of one my character, but you've made not one but several strategical mistakes.

Mistake #1. Assuming we'll be sitting ducks.
I've shown a NUMBER of feats proving that Monet StCroix is not only the fast flyer, but a genuine speedster capable of processing information on superhuman speed. So, darling, no reflexes edge for you.

Here's some more feats of that.
Catching a missle in midair (once again, effortlessly)
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More superspeed information processing (learning how to operate almost unfamiliar tech in seconds)
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So...nowhere in here she's a sitting duck to Deathstroke.

Then. The laughable ambush tactic, and the thing that while you made yourself invisible (scan in the opening post shows WHY that doesn't work) you didn't bother to establish any false positives (not that you CAN do that satisfactory, upon further analysis the "telepath fooling" scan was being sold for more than it's worth- bog standart Danger Room training holograms can also respond to TK blasts and no telepath with proper X training is ever going to mistake one for a real person). So in 2,7 seconds needed for T-Spheres to reach my location assuming they fly on their top Mach 1 speed (which is rather unfavourable for you BTW, as ANY object approaching that speed is going to create a sonic boom=superhearing makes your location instantly known), Bird of Prey a)locates you in the very 1st second; b)screams at the ultrasonic frequensy courtesy of now-superstrong diaphragm muscles in your direction...

...And game's over. For you, cause the attack is area-covering and not beam-like... and it instantly KOed everyone in the White House whose hearing works the same way human one does. The only exception was Despero for obvious reasons of not being human.

Your amalgam consists of one baseline human (Mr T.) and two experimentally enhanced humans (Deathstroke and Cage). The key word here is human (and also the fact that Deathstroke happens to have superhearing making the effect even quicker). As soon as the wave of ultrasound hits you...you're KOed and game over.

Now, you may be interested in the range of superhearing. Well, look...
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Rictor in that instance was in the sewers a few miles away from Monet=more than enough range for the battlefield.
Also taking into the account the good degree of knowledge Dinah (and consequently Bird of Prey) knows about the tactics employed by Deathstroke and Terrific, the chances of ambush are veeeery slim).

Once again the two key scans, the rest are cherries on the pie (though the pie that tastes of my victory).
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...tor_020_015.jpg
Why your ambush tactic is next to useless.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...jla-jsa-049.jpg
Wide range ultrasonic scream= as long as your general direction is known (which is the very 1st second of the battle courtesy of TP and superhearing, while your T-Spheres need 2.7 seconds to reach me and do something) you're toast.

And to avoid any further confusion I'll repeat the prep & starting battle position.

Prep
quote:
In the opening 10 seconds M and Canary amalgamate, Bird of Prey establishes mindlink between herself and Charlie, and everyone takes to the air.


1st second of a battle
quote:
Immediately at the initial second of the battle my team flies above the forests- Bird of Prey does that at Mach 1 speed, Charlie- kinda slower but also on top of his game. The initial task of Bird of Prey is to use her TP and superhearing to locate sings of human activity in the area. Since we're in the forest and the only humans in the area is the opposing team, it will be easy.


Battle strategy for dummies
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In short, the strategy is pretty basic.
1. Fly high above forest
2. Use superhearing and TP to locate your guys.
3. Hit with some ultrasonic blasts akin to the one that owned the guards of the White House until you’re KTFOed.
4. Celebration!


Should T-Spheres become a problem BEFORE BoP manages to scream (above I wrote what you need for that to happen and what are your odds)...well, there's a nice thing to do. Not that it'll ever come to play, cause standing 2.7 secs doing nothing is a BS, you know. And nothing that happens in my strat.

A noice from movement will give away the spheres' general direction anyway. It takes veeery little time for Bird of Prey to take to the air at her top speed while giving (via mindlink=instantly) command to Charcoal to release huge fire blast with heat enough to melt steel (and set nearby forest on fire) thus detonating T-Spheres heading for our location.

I'm not going even address the odds of going into aerial combat with you...just suffice to say that by doing that you've singlehandedly ruined whatever skill advantage Deatstroke has over Black Canary...as every part of The Terminator amalgam is a noob when it comes to the aerial fights.
Monet, on the contrary, had quite a few of those during her superhero career, and that coupled with Black Canary H2H skill means that... well, attempt to go aerial combat with Bird of Prey is asinine at best.


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Omega Vision
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Omega Vision Official Post #1

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Bird of Prey:

The T-Mask has shown the ability to give telescopic sight which combined with T-Sphere telemetry can pinpoint BoP's location. I wouldn't be so obtuse as to claim the Staff can bring her down in one shot or even in five shots but aimed at her neck (a soft spot) a blast could damage her ability to use her Sonic Scream. Don't even try arguing that Deathstroke can't hit a moving target, even one at Mach 1 because he most certainly can. If he can stop a Flash speedblitz then he can use the staff to snipe BoP from the get-go.

As for the ridiculous assertion that "Canary knows Deathstroke and Terrific but not the other way around" I can't believe you'd even go there.

Terminator would realize that the Sonic Scream would be the most serious threat and as such would move to neutralize/avoid it first.

He could accomplish it as such:
Granted Terminator using the T-Spheres to grant himself flight would prove problematic he might instead use them as a means to carry his facemask up into the sky and to its target.

While one or two T-Spheres run interference another T-Sphere can carry (guided to target telepathically through Terminator's headset) the facemask into the air and plant it over BoP's face.

It seems for all of the Sonic Scream's power it fails whenever the mouth is obstructed as it would be with a titanium-strength mask over it. Now unable to use the Scream and blinded BoP is now a less difficult target for a flying Terminator who can and will kill her in h/h.

Even given telepathic commands Charcoal lacks the reaction feats that prove he can do anything that Terminator won't see coming and once telepathic commands are shut off he would be a more or less sitting duck against Terminator.

On the subject of the Sonic Booms:

Ridiculous assertion. Any object as small as a T-Sphere wouldn't produce anything akin to a Jet's sonic boom. Some sound yes but no 'boom'.

Sonic Scream:

I see nothing that indicates that a long range scream could incapacitate someone with Cage level durability. What you have are proof that she can take out high level bricks with point blank screams.

As for Deathstroke's super hearing being a liability that's shown to be crap in comics as Superman (who's hearing is>>>Deathstroke's) has stood up to Silver Banshee's cry without succumbing even though logically he should have passed out rather quickly.

As for the Ultra-Sonic Scream that's all well and good but there's absolutely no proof that she could pull it off in the first second even given an increase in strength since from that scan there's no indication that strength has anything to do with it.

So if its all about concentration even given the superior thinking prowess of M BoP will still have to multitask seeking out her opponent, giving commands to Charcoal and concentrating on finding the Ultrasonic range while getting shot at by the staff.

A tall order if I do say so myself.

Charcoal:

Him burning down 1 kilometers of redwood trees (which take FOREVER to burn due to their size) is laughable given the time table you expect him to operate at.


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pardon the interruption--judges for this match are: delph, bentley and jake.

proceed with the carnage. big grin


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White Queen of KMC

Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

Official post #2


quote:
Sonic Scream:

I see nothing that indicates that a long range scream could incapacitate someone with Cage level durability. What you have are proof that she can take out high level bricks with point blank screams.

As for Deathstroke's super hearing being a liability that's shown to be crap in comics as Superman (who's hearing is>>>Deathstroke's) has stood up to Silver Banshee's cry without succumbing even though logically he should have passed out rather quickly.

As for the Ultra-Sonic Scream that's all well and good but there's absolutely no proof that she could pull it off in the first second even given an increase in strength since from that scan there's no indication that strength has anything to do with it.

So if its all about concentration even given the superior thinking prowess of M BoP will still have to multitask seeking out her opponent, giving commands to Charcoal and concentrating on finding the Ultrasonic range while getting shot at by the staff.


I just LOLd. So you think Cage is more durable than Wonder Woman or Giganta? (OK, in case of Wonder Woman it was a copycat, but Black Alice steals EVERY power of those she copies).

Dinah was able to outscream Silver Banshee in direct confrontation between the two anyways, so that doesn't matter. Also Silver Banshee's scream doesn't go to ultrasonic range last time I saw her. And finally, cash cows are usually surrounded by the amouth of PIS unimaginable to mere mortals... thus on panel you can see Wolverine and Superman surviving sh*t they shouldn't given their powersets (like MAGIC based sonic attacks).

As for ultrasonic range, that's quite easy- in the scan you see Dr Midnite squeezing her diaphragm (and Green "Gay for Justuce" Arrow, unworthy BS of a husband, commenting on it), cause diaphragm muscles are important in that and Dinah's normally aren't strong enough to pull the stunt without outside pressure. Class 20 (at least) Dinah is another story.

"Lot of multitasking" made me LOL. Not more than say writing and listening to music at the same time.
The first one is almost instinctive. I only need to confirm the signs of a sentient being and you're the only one on the battlefield. Telepathic time is a whole lot different from objective time (specifically in that TP=FTL). So the whole confirmation process takes very little time... less than second, I'd say.
If Monet can brainwash a subway train full of people into forgetting last ten minutes of their lives on the fly AND simultaneously...she can locate the Terminator in given fraction of second.
As for directrions, transmitting "fly upwards and set the sh*t around us at fire" is hardly something complicated and time-consuming to explain and it's a fool proof (almost) strategy against incoming T-Spheres- preventive detonation due to contact with extreme hit.

Monet's durability is equal to Cage. She was able to survive direct hit to the stomach from World War Hulk without any long term crippling consequences...though it KOed her for good measure, but you're no World War Hulk and neither is your staff.
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In short, THAT'S what you need to do to KO her using kinetic energy-based attack and Deathstroke's staff fires the blasts of kinetic force akin to Cyke's eyebeams... only less powerful. And as for those less powerful stuff... see the "durability" section of my intro post.

You WON'T be able to do anything substantial to the two characters in the upper range of durability allowed in the tourney. At least not in the first second of the match when you need to survive almost isntant location via telepathy (speed of thought=much faster than the speed of T-spheres) and the following scream in the ultrasonic range. Class 20 diaphragm is my friend in that.

My strategy is simple and doesn't involve anything complicated.


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Charlotte DeBel
White Queen of KMC

Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

Charlotte The Third

quote:

Bird of Prey:

The T-Mask has shown the ability to give telescopic sight which combined with T-Sphere telemetry can pinpoint BoP's location. I wouldn't be so obtuse as to claim the Staff can bring her down in one shot or even in five shots but aimed at her neck (a soft spot) a blast could damage her ability to use her Sonic Scream. Don't even try arguing that Deathstroke can't hit a moving target, even one at Mach 1 because he most certainly can. If he can stop a Flash speedblitz then he can use the staff to snipe BoP from the get-go.

As for the ridiculous assertion that "Canary knows Deathstroke and Terrific but not the other way around" I can't believe you'd even go there.

Terminator would realize that the Sonic Scream would be the most serious threat and as such would move to neutralize/avoid it first.


Enhanced vision is cool and nice, but you're forgetting one thing. We're fighting in the forest. Dense forest that also happens to be one of the mistiest places possible on Earth (rainforest on the seashore in temperate climate=more mist that you can imagine). So sniping me from the get go is kinda hard. We aren't in the Kansas prarie engaging in gunslinger duel... and telepathy works faster than light anyways, so I pull the trigger faster- my tracking methods are ambivalent to mist, trees and stuff.

One shot from your staff anyone in my team can tank... hell, even repeated shots, cause in terms of shooting speed the thing is closer to sniper rifle and not machine gun. Knock BoP down for a second- probably if you're lucky and the shot doesn't hit any trees in the way. Do any lasting damage=no-no. As for the helicopter blowing up feat...I'm sure Banshee or Jubilee can repeat the same using their powers (or Moonstone for that case) and my characters tanked blasts from them with no problem.

As for my "ridiculous" statement- of course Mr T and Deathstroke know about REGULAR Canary Cries- saying otherwise is the ridiculous thing. It's just the wide ultrasonic range kinds of those they never seen in action (simply because normally stuff like that requires outside pressure to be put on her diaphragm cause it alone is not strong enough NORMALLY to give the pressure needed- class 20 strength is a great remedy for that).

That Deathstroke knows and preps for Canary Cries is not news to everyone...even Dinah knows his standart prep tactics in that regard...
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And knows how to react to those. Especially if the tactic is as asinine as "let's try to sneak up on titanium-grade durable telepath with Class 20 strength, superhearing and Mach 1 speed with some smelly rag".
In fact, I don't even remember Cage wearing any bulletproof clothes since he stopped using Power Man alias. In New Avengers he wears regular street clothes. That's some food for thought here.

In your amalgam vs mine Deathstroke just has lost some of his major trump cards against DC street levelers- speed, sences and durability advantage. My speed is better, sences are not all around better but more than enough to compensate for advantages in some areas, durability is the same. Plus the advantage of flight and aerial maneurability. T-Spheres are good to levitate you on small distances, but for full fledged aerial combat? Lulz... your skill advantage (and DS's wins over Batman and Dick are due to stats and not skills mostly, so I doubt you have bested me in that) also goes through the window if you try that.

That's the last for today, stay tunedsmile


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On the subject of locating BoP:

The T-Spheres are not required in locating distant targets, though they do help. The T-Mask by itself has proven itself capable of locating flying targets from beyond standard visual range:
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I highly doubt a little mist and some leaves can really obstruct as sophisticated a targeting system as the T-Mask.

Even if trees get in the way of the staff blast the beam can and will shred through the canopy cover to get to its target.

On the subject of Terminator's staff:

If you compare it to a sniper rifle I can somewhat agree to that, it is like a sniper rifle in Slade's hands in that it is very accurate and powerful. However that is an incomplete, vulgar comparison because comparing it to a sniper would imply that it cannot be fired fast which is ridiculous considering Deathstroke turned around and hit the Flash with it with such speed that the Flash couldn't move to dodge it. Now Monet<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Flash in terms of reaction and speed and that isn't up for debate.
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Accuracy as well is less of an issue that you make it out to be. Deathstroke has hit flying targets before and though the mist and tree canopy might make it impossible for Slade on his own to hit a flying target the Terminator has his T-Mask.

With an unscoped pistol (something that puts him on a similar level to guys like Deadshot in terms of marksmanship):
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Now with a straight energy blast there's no need to adjust for wind or anything like that, making it much easier for Terminator to get a shot.

Reflexes:
Slade's reflexes are insane to the point that even with your telepathy (mind that T-Spheres are also controlled by thought commands thus just as quick on the draw (http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/...ughtcontrol.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/...ughtcontrol.jpg) you won't be able to get a clear advantage. Both BoP and Terminator will make their opening moves within Nanoseconds of the proverbial bell.

Here its explained that Slade is actually FASTER than the Flash in certain respects, key among them being reaction time:
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Ultrasonic Scream:Whether or not her diaphragm is strong enough to create the effect isn't at issue here, its whether or not she can recreate the effect under hostile conditions without the counseling of her friends and loved ones.

Secondly the notion that Doc Mid-Nite would know about her ability to use the Ultra-sonic range but Mister Terrific (White (read: Intelligence) King of Checkmate) wouldn't is down right insulting to Mr. Holt.



...Oh yes and off-topic digression I agree with you that Ollie doesn't deserve her. wink


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Ultrasonic Scream:Whether or not her diaphragm is strong enough to create the effect isn't at issue here, its whether or not she can recreate the effect under hostile conditions without the counseling of her friends and loved ones.


Now you're diving into the realm of CIS. Which luckily is non-existent in the tourney. If she's done that once, she can do that again... unless presence of Green Swine...errm, Green Arrow magically amplifies her powers. Though as we see from the history, the answer is quite opposite to that- if anything, teaming up with her fugly husband (she should have listened to Babs and tell that bearded monster to f*ck off from her instead of letting him ruin her life and JLA career) makes her into She-Rhino with sonic powers.

Also, when any superhero is ill or needs serious surgical invention, whom do they call? Answer- Dr. Midnite. Not Mr Terrific. It makes sence that he's better at anathomy...

And I'm not talking about adjusting to the wind...we're not in the shooting range or open steppe. We're in the DENSE MISTY FOREST. And while that's not a problem for T-Spheres (they're also not teleporting things), that'll inhibit the accuracy of Deathstroke.

Ultrasonics basically ignore those obstacles, and telepathic search is INSTANT. BoP opens her mouth in your direction and you're KOed a few instants later.

Basically now you are using CIS-appeal as your last line of defence against ultrasonics. If you think pep talk from Dr Midnite amplified her powers, you're free to think so... but I doubt judges will think likewise.

And I've shown the scan proving that the only edge Deathstroke has over Canary lies in stats and not skills. With stats roughly equalised (Bird of Prey is physically weaker but more fast and maneurable than Terminator) it doesn't matter.


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Charlotte's final post in that match

1.CIS Appeal
Basically what Omega now claims is that Black Canary won't be able to use her high end attacks without her hubby dearest being nearby (OK, I don't like Green Arrow, so I stop there and try not to mention him in my strat anymore).
Luckily she's amalgamated with a chick whose motto in life is being perfect and excelling in everything she does...
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And who surely doesn't need any pep talk to smack you around. Black Canary is a veteran fighter as well, who knows her business and doesn't piss her panties at the sight of Deathstroke.

Don't mess with rich bitches who used to have threesomes with grandkids of British queen:
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...And even regrets of her bedding mistakes with style (and thus the amalgamation with Monet will be really healthy for Black Canary psyche).

2. "Ridiculous amouth of multitasking"

That claim is pretty silly... if you think that looking for the signs of sentient life (without any proven psi-protection BTW) and linking with ONE mind is more tasking than acting as communication hub between FIVE minds... Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
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3. Sniping duel
Both our characters have superhuman reaction speed. I don't need to dwell into "my kung fu>>>your kung fu", but just something to say.
As I've shown several times, your illusions can't TRULY fool telepath...at least not in no-real-prep encounter. TP, superhearing and sonic attacks are not hindered by trees and misty environment... while I CAN possibly throw your aim off for a while.
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One of the first things Emma Frost taught Monet is how to alter perceptions of people and mindwipe'em to keep herself unnoticed by "muggles". Now, Deathstroke surely has some impressive mental resistance feats under his belt, but making him miss a target by a few inches is not a major perception alteration and thus entirely within even M's limited skillset (she's obviously far cry from her glorious mentor). Not that it'll be much needed, though...but can be considered.

The aim of sonic attack will be near perfect- not only has Dinah mastered her own powers, but Monet has spent half of her own life close to the people with sonic powers (Banshee was her teacher and Siryn is her BFF), so amalgamation with one of them (especially highly experienced battle hardened one) won't be too tasking in terms of adjusting two powersets together.

4.You shoot first... so what?
To take Canary Cry out of the game, you need to cause severe pain to Dinah... as Deathstroke knows and usually does. Usually.

That must be real pain and not some minor irritation... cause for example, she was able to do that after Black Alice almost hanged her on the tree using Wonder Woman's lasso:
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And causing some real pain to titanium-grade durable body in one shot is a bit beyond Deatstroke's offensive capacity.

5.Charcoal

The scans from the initial writeup (bout with Thunderbolts, fiery stuff) shows that he can handle both hits from at least a T-Sphere or two, or detonate the rest while setting the forest on fire on Bird of Prey's mental command.

And since I don't need to overcomplicate stuff with trying to actively effect Deathstroke with TP (he can't oneshot BoP anyways), the mental command is given the instance I fly up and shit goes boom. Behind me... That's if Terminator is not terminated yet by ultrasonics.

Thanks for entertaining duel, darling, and good luck


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Delph's Vote:

Gonna make this brief:

I wasn't convinced by Omega's argument that he'd be able to fight on equal footing with BoP/Charcoal in the air given that he'd be standing on top of a solitary T-sphere in mid-air for flight with presumably Luke Cage's body mass via amalgamation, whereas CDB's team can fly by their own means of propulsion and have far greater maneuverability. Something you may want to rectify via free agency Omega.

I also wasn't convinced that ripping his jacket and wrapping it around his head would provide adequate protection from the ultrasonic scream. Omega kinda played himself into a corner by going airborne with a bag over his head (literally).

Plus, as any tourney vet would know, setting forests on fire earns nostalgia points with me. cool

Anyway:

Vote: Charlotte.


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Bentley's vote

While I would like to provide a deeper analysis of this match I have to say that by the sheer amount of posting and answering Omega is kind of handicapped from the get to go. It doesn't help either that Charlotte's plan is much more likely to work given the setting and the conditions argued during the fight.

Both debaters kind of went with the regular non-amalgamated durabilities right from the start, but I think that Charlotte is much prepared to deal with the amalgam situation -hurting Black Alice looks good enough to take on Luke Cage-. The forest, the mist, the T-sphere guide etc. stopping the scream seemed possible but not as likely as the battle as CDB proposed.

So well, the vote is for Charlotte. I think its the deal breaker so I just want it to be posted quickly.


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Jake's Vote

Likewise making this short and breif.

I would have liked to see Omega get some posts in before the end, which is a shame because it may have altered my decision (can't speak for the other judges, though). In the end, I think what synched it for Charlotte was the fact that Omega wasn't able to adequately be able to hang with Charlotte for a prolonged period of time. I think Omega's equipment went a long way for him as is, but not long enough to secure a win. It also didn't help that he had also brought up a form of CIS, which is a moot point here. On paper, a team of Slade + Michael Holt alone screams bad things for the other team, and as a fan of each, I would have liked to see some more posting to support Cage the Terminator and his odds here. But as is, Charlotte offered more for me to consider as well as a better plan from the get-go. Good match, guys.


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