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Kang the Conqueror shall be respected!
Respect Kang the Conqueror
More than a tousand empires have fallen against him in different times, in different dimensions... His name is feared and respected, his tech and his genuis are among the best in the multiverse. He has many names, many guises, but one of them has been perpetually kept among the most powerful and dangerous foes the Avengers ever faced. Of course, it can be no other than...
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Kang the Conqueror!!!
Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the very first Avengers run, this time-traveller is among the few characters to be born in an alternate Earth (6311) but to be a mainstay trouble for 616 Earth, going as far as conquering the planet because, well, he's a conqueror, that's what he does.
With his armor and future tech he's truly a force to be reckoned with, a legitimate team wrecker; but the man behind the mask is more dangerous by his own right: a highly trained warrior, an adept inventor, a master strategist, unmatched when it comes to time-physics... Kang has several life-times worth of experience and has honed his skills to be the ultimate conqueror. For Nathaniel Richards, war is both a hobbie and a lifestyle, he could just kill the Avengers but that wouldn't be a challenge, it wouldn't be fun.
So let's meet the conqueror in question. There's an issue in Avengers forever that passes through the highlights of Kang's life, and it also establishes most of its continuity, so its highly recommended Here, I present you with Kang's history:
Kang's backstory:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory0.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory6.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory7.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory8.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory9.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory10.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory11.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory12.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory13.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory14.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory15.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory16.jpg
Here you have a bio (thanks to Galan!):
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...k/kang_bio1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...k/kang_bio2.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...k/kang_bio3.jpg
Now... There is one annoying thing about Kang: Continuity. He's both from an alternate earth AND a time-traveller, that rhymes with "retcon". Also, there are about five versions of Kang running around going by different names and using different armors, which are canon to Kang at least for now. Also there are divergent Kangs who have done different things, died, survived and fought the Avengers on ocasion. To make things worse, there are also non-Kang characters who have stolen his tech or his empire at different points of time, so deciding which tech can be used for Kang Prime its a pretty complex task. So in this thread I'm doing two things: I'm giving you the best Kang feats I can find, and I'm giving you the argument that makes such feats valid (as of 2010, that is, Busiek's retcon). If you trust my judgement or you don't care to get into a complex discussion on the character, just skip the first part labelled as "canon map".
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Thread Index:
1.1- Introduction/Background Story.
1.2- Personal Abilities.
1.3- Canon Map.
2.1- Armor.
2.2- Offensive Tech.
2.3- Time Tech.
2.4- Robotics.
2.5- Miscellaneous Tech.
3.- Combat Feats.
4.- Scale.
5.- Histrionics.
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Personal Abilities.
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Despite being human, Kang posseses a few inherent abilities that could be considered super-human by regular standards. The first one would be his longevity, in the 30th on Earth 6311 humans have a slower aging rate.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory13.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...backstory14.jpg
Ouch, this guy went toe to toe against Cap at seventy. It would be a first if not for that aging ray that affected Steve and Redskull. Yeah, comics are weird like that.
Also, he posseses the seldomly used ability of having limited inmunity against radiation. It has been referred at least twice, so there is that:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ioninmunity.jpg
(I guess that in the 30th century people can use cellphones as much as they want)
More importantly: After facing Immortus in Limbo, Kang is tricked into downloading the knowledge of every alternate Kang into his brain, to survive the shock he splits in two alternate Kangs. Because of this, he has the knowledge and abilities from his divergent selves:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory9.jpg
His willpower is also pretty uber, since he beats destiny by splitting himself from his future-self Immortus, making him effectively a divergent self:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tingdestiny.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ingdestiny2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ingdestiny3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Noimmortus.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Noimmortus2.jpg
Some people think that Kang is uber because he steals tech, but actually he's quite the genius himself. For instance, he creates a stimuloid when he's very young:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Time-freeze.jpg
He also knows very complex time-physics according to Hank Pym:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...meknowledge.jpg
He is also a self-declared expert in robotics (Kang talks alone... A LOT):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...robotmaking.jpg
Going as far as introducing modern robotics at the beginning of the 20th century:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tineltrick2.jpg
Just using ancient egyptian resources he manages to put himself in suspended animation:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...edanimation.jpg
He also created a machine that stops time from diverting when he travels into a time-line:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...rtofforever.jpg
He also created Chronopolis, a city that's in several timelines at the same time, and is the center of Kang's empire:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...chronopolis.jpg
Just throwing a few feats so people don't go around dissing Kang's genius, he's also a highly trained warrior, but that will be evident when we get to the combat feats. I'll just throw a random training session showing some skill:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...or/Training.jpg
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Canon Map.
Oh my.
These are the different versions of Nathaniel Richards we will use: Rama Tut, Iron-lad, Scarlett Centurion I and Kang the Conqueror. Current Kang has already lived through his Rama Tut era and his Scarlett Centurion one, however, I'm considering that the Scarlett Centurion that stayed in the Squadron Supreme universe is a divergent character whose feats don't count for Kang, simply because his experiences has never been mentioned for Kang's canon, while the Scarlett Centurion who faced the Avengers has. Iron-lad's existence as his own character or a divergent version of Kang is still up in the air, but considering that it was Kang Prime who gave him his armor, we can consider that every feat from Iron-lad's armor could be accomplished by Kang's.
Then we have the divergent Kangs. I already explained that the time-sphere gave Kang the knowledge and experiences of every divergent Kang, and then he splitted that knowledge in half. As it is, its a cointoss. This is not much of a problem really, since most of the feats and abilities I tracked are common to Kang and his alternate selves. When a feat has not been shown by Kang Prime, or comes from a divergent future that splits very far away from 616, I'm using italics to introduce the feat. I'll consider Heroes Reborn Kang as such simply because this version of the character is not a joke, but you should consider it a separate character. It will be marked in itallics too with its few feats (check fight section).
When the feats come from alternate earths that are just too stupid, obviously jokes or very distinct to what Kang uses as regular methods, I'm using pink to mark such feats. You'll probably get it anyways, but I don't want you to go around thinking I didn't notice them.
Because I did .
The Cross-time Kangs are not even Nathaniel Richards, and as such, personal feats are not cannon for him. However, they stole his tech and tactics, so its feasible for Kang to replicate the use of tech shown by the Cross-time Kangs. As in with Kang from one showing to another -divergent or not-, I consider that he would be able to use their abilities in combat, thanks to his ability to pull weaponry from the timestream:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...r/Timefetch.jpg
We don't really know how that works, but its safe to assume that if Kang has used a weapon, he could feasibly fetch it with that method. As such, I'm not using any particular mark for them.
I'm making an exception on this: "Cross-time Kang" Nebula. She simply seemed too skillful compared with the other Kangs, and he would be admittedly clever enough to go further than just copying Nathaniel's act -same for Terminatrix-. Tech-wise she's not all that different, sexing up Doctor Druid aside.
That was not a very Kangish thing to do anyways.
There is also Immortus. Since we already know Kang splitted from Immortus, feats after Avengers Forever are not canon for Immortus while every feat before counts for him -I'm not sure if the current Avenger arc retconned this, or if Immortus's status as a divergent self wasn't fixed, but to be honest, nothing should change here-. None of his feats count for his Kang persona though.
Keep in mind that Busiek retconned Avengers the Crossing so the Kang shown there is really Immortus. As such, I didn't put any of those feats here.
I'm also using Scarlett Centurion II, who is Marcus, Kang's son -an entirely different character-. My logic is that his tech mimics his father tech, so its safe to say that if Kang handed him such technology, he wouldn't have problems to add to his own. At worse, you can consider such feats for prep.
So well, those are the feats I'm considering and the logic I followed, if you need further clarification I'm entirely capable of explaining which feats and weapons are related with Kang in first degree and which have passed through other means.
And that's that.
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Armor.
Kang's armor is equiped with weapons, time mechanisms and other features such as increasing his sensorial input. It responds to his thoughs, even at subconsious level, and provides some defense against physical harm, although that's hardly its first use.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Armor_Hack2.jpg
Like other characters such as Doctor Doom and Iron-man, his armor differs from one showing to another, there are at least a number of abilities that seem to be constant: His personal forcefield, the ability to time-travel and being able to fetch weapons from the time-stream. Its common knowledge that he's able to stop time with it too, but he seldomly uses that ability in combat.
Of course he likes to keep it clean and neat.
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Let's see what this purple-green baby can do!
First let's see some non-shielded durability feats:
The armor is, of course, bullet proof:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Bulletproof.jpg
Takes a hit from Thor, no shields:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...mor_Thorhit.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...or_Thorhit2.jpg
Marcus uses a similar armor that protects him against Ms. Marvel fists:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...arvelattack.jpg
It has several time-related mechanisms built in too.
Gets weaponry from the time-stream:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...r/Timefetch.jpg
Has automatic systems to return to his time-line in case of danger:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ecallbutton.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...callbutton2.jpg
He's able to project other time-lines inside his helmet:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._hidescreen.jpg
Its implied that he can freeze time at will:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Timebubble.jpg
Stops time:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Time-freeze.jpg
Freezing Wolverine:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Timefreeze.jpg
Makes a time portal:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Timeportal.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Timeportal2.jpg
Effortlessly summons a dinosaur:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...llsdinosaur.jpg
Here some other miscellaneous abilities:
It can shapeshift:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._shapeshift.jpg
Uses magnetism:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...r_magnetism.jpg
His armor prevents telepathy:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._Mindshield.jpg
It's capable of flight:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...rmor_flight.jpg
Equipped with sensors to detect life-forms (here, he detects a time-shifted opponent):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ternateKang.jpg
It can control his other tech at distance:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...mor_remote1.jpg
He can hack Iron-man defenses just using his armor -this is Iron-lad, so he's much less experienced-.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...r_Hackalarm.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Armor_Hack2.jpg
Blocks the Vision's phasing:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers3.jpg
Can absorb energy attacks to make his armor recover:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...powershield.jpg
Marcus's armor also can self-repair (safe to assume Kang's does too):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._selfrepair.jpg
Its also capable of shorting out other techs:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ch_shortout.jpg
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Offensive tech.
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Kang likes guns. This may be an understatement. To be as succesful as he is at conquering time-lines, Kang needs to pack some serious firepower. This are just some of his weapons, you may see other tricks at the fight sections.
With his control over the Cobalt force he can make Thor weight half a planet:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Cobaltforce.jpg
Uses a Darkmatter beam to own Photon in her energy form:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...kmatterbeam.jpg
This one, called Delta ray, passes through 40th century energy shields:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ch_Deltaray.jpg
His guns can be fixed to deharmonize forcefield, here, he uses the Supreme Intelligence to compute and destroy the Time-keeper shields, who have god-like tech:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tingshields.jpg
Kills Cap and Iron-man easily:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...otsCapIMJes.jpg
Kang bobby traps a gun his alternate self holds:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...h_bobbytrap.jpg
This beam is able to depower the likes of Wonderman:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...hibitorbeam.jpg
One-shotting the Avengers with his Ultradiode Ray, notice he takes Wonderman and Iron-man with it:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._dioderayWM.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...DioderayWM2.jpg
The good old Ultra diode ray against the FF:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tradioderay.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...radioderay2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...radioderay3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...radioderay4.jpg
Desintegrates Cyclone because no one really cares about him:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...sintegrator.jpg
Kills the Avengers and others with a bomb:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...nukingearth.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ukingearth2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ukingearth3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ukingearth4.jpg
Tech capable of numbing even the Hulk:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._numbmisile.jpg
Uses gas to handicap the Avengers (so Spider-bot is able to outfight them):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...odorlessgas.jpg
Kang has a number of paralysis rays. This one stops Herc, Namor and an alternate Kang in one-shot:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...alysisrayAv.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...lysisrayAv2.jpg
A vibration ray destroying some tanks:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ibrationray.jpg
A gun able to hurt Surfer himself:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ilverSurfer.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...lverSurfer2.jpg
And there is Damocles base. This sword-shaped ship is the one he used when he conquered Earth, its pretty capable of combat and pretty damn impressive:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...moclesbase1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...moclesbase2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...moclesbase3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...moclesbase4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...lesbase5jpg.jpg
It also has an hologram projector which allowed Kang to own Washington DC, and it can project blasts:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...h_Holoblast.jpg
Its shields are capable of detect people tampering them:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...elddetects1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...elddetects2.jpg
It can use a selective beam that destroys buildings but spares people:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ectivebeam1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ectivebeam2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ectivebeam3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ectivebeam4.jpg
During his attack against Earth we will see another kind of attack that spares the buildings and kills people 
This is how much it took to breach its shields:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...clesvsteam1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...clesvsteam2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...clesvsteam3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...clesvsteam4.jpg
Kang's future tech is more than just weapons, for instance his time-tech is unmatched by none in 616 earth, and it has the feats to back it up.
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Robotics.
It only makes sense that a warfare oriented character has the ability to build soldiers and make them fight for him. But Kang doesn't really use his robots that way because fighting is something he likes, and for him there is a... Human side on fighting? I guess someone who became a pharaoh to be revered and loved cares to have the loyality of real soldiers. And while Kang uses his robots as weapons, they have another very sensible use for him:
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Yep, that's a robot. Only them can act like Kang and listen to Kang with his endless ramblings. The character just loves his own voice. Some of this machines kick some major ass though.
Some robots posing as Kang:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...oppleganger.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ppleganger2.jpg
Another one:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...oppelganger.jpg
And yet another one:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Tech_robot.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Tech_robot2.jpg
And while robot copycats are Doom's thing, Kang adds his own twist to them:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Massrobots.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...sKangrobots.jpg
While Kang does the battling, the machines keep his growing empire in line. So instead of sending robots to the battles he may lose, Kang mostly use them in battles he already won.
Here some random robot punks Iron-man:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tvsIron-man.jpg
By using his ability to see through time, Kang gathers information to make a robot that mimics Spider-man powers and fighting style:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...robotmaking.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...obotmaking2.jpg
Yep, making a Spidey robot may be a little underwhelming powerwise, but it sells books! (you might see a Wolvie robot or a Deadpool robot nowadays)
The cool think about the robot is how creative and flexible it is when facing the Avengers, you can see the AI quality right there (it even has thought bubbles!):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tvsavengers.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers6.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsavengers7.jpg
Then, the Spiderbot fights the real Spider-man:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...botvsspidey.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...otvsspidey2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...otvsspidey3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...otvsspidey4.jpg
You gotta love Spidey and his "machines will never beat human spirit", when he wins by turning the robot off 
Next we're going to review the Macrobots, they pack some serious punch, as they show by beating the Avengers (and a good rooster! Mantis, Scarlett Witch, Iron-man, Vision and freaking Thor!):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...1vsAvengers.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers3.jpg
Kang then puts Vision, Iron-man and Thor inside them, and those powers are added to the trio.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tsskillcopy.jpg
And when they add those abilities to their own, they are a force to be reckoned with (they one copying Thor gets hit by everyone and an asteroid, and is trying to get up when Tut interferes):
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...h_macrobots.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots6.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots7.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots8.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/..._macrobots9.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...macrobots10.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...macrobots11.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...macrobots12.jpg
And I think thats pretty much... Huh?
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Welcome to Growing Man's mini respect thread!!
Kang created this guy:
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Often described as a stimuloid, nicknamed the Growing Man, this good old robot launched his career as a comic character fighting Thor in the only appearance of Kang in a Thor comic outside a crossover. Since then, he has become an adept fighting teams as a team-softener of sorts -he has never wrecked anyone as far as I've seen, but he's quite resilant for the traditional robot-jobber position-. Most of the time he's shown fighting, so I will point out the interesting abilities mentioned during those bouts for those just passing through this thread.
Now... Growing Man's main power is to absorb kinetic energy in order to become bigger, this makes him effectively stronger and seemingly faster. GM is capable of independant thought, changing his voice and sending information through time. Recently we've seen stimuloids with distinct abilities, such as breaking into several bodies when physically harmed (I'll call this one, Growing Man piñata version). As of Young Avengers, we learn that Kang has been building stimuloids since he was a teenager, but in some showings, Growing Man is not entirely built by Kang, but rebuilt from his original body by HYDRA or others.
Let's see this doll to giant character in action!
Here, its original fight against Thor. During the battle is implied that Growing Man A) Cannot become small at will, B) can become big enough to destroy the Earth:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Stimuloid1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Stimuloid2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Stimuloid3.jpg
Growing Man is sent to kidnap Tony Stark, which he manages to do despite the Avengers opposing him. Here we learn that Growing Man grows bigger by the impact of his own punches:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...MvsAvengers.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...vsAvengers4.jpg
His fight against Iron-man. The armored Avengers finds a plot devicey way out of the battle, again GM is implied ot be a danger to Earth itself:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...GMvsIronman.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...MvsIronman2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...MvsIronman3.jpg
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http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...MvsIronman5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...MvsIronman6.jpg
Growing Man defeats -totally off panel-, rebels loyal to Baltag who rose against Kang:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...beatsrebels.jpg
Growing Man is send by Kang to draw the reformed Avengers to Franklin Richards, he trashes a demon, he disguises himself and he dodges Thor's hammer:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gmantactics.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...mantactics2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...mantactics3.jpg
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The next two fights are rebuilt versions of the Growing man, apparently, HYDRA got their hands into this good stimuloid while Kang was dead, and their version fought some heroes, for a while. This could explain why he got overwhelmed by stategies that previously failed against the original one:
HYDRA Growing man against the Thunderbolts:
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HYDRA Growing Man against Sentinels, at some point he rips an arm off one of them as if it was a toy:
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Combat Feats.
Kang loves the thrill of the battle, and his passion is so big that he has trained most of his life and honored his skills to be as dangerous as he could possibly be. So without any further ado, I'll present you some of Kang's most formidable combats:
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Trained for years to become a conqueror, Kang is quite dangerous even without his tech. I'll start with some "unarmored" feats.
Fight against Steve Rogers, does quite well for an old guy:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ight/vsCap1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ight/vsCap2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ight/vsCap3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ight/vsCap4.jpg
Kang faces Young Avengers without his armor and does quite well:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ngAvengers6.jpg
Fight against Captain America as holograms, as Kang explains, Cap adapts pretty fast to it. Kang can use beams in this form, but most of the battle is physical:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight5.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight6.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Holofight7.jpg
This is Tut facing Cable in unarmed combat, as such, he hasn't trained yet to become Kang. We can see some good natural skill:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ght/VsCable.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsCable2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsCable3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsCable4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsCable5.jpg
Now let's get into fully equipped battles against just a few opponents.
Fights Cap and Iron-man at the same time, he catches Cap's shield!:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ndIron-man1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ndIron-man2.jpg
Fights Captain America and Quicksilver:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...cksilvercap.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ksilvercap2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ksilvercap3.jpg
Kang bests Merlin:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsMerlin.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...t/VsMerlin2.jpg
Beats Prester John:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Presterjohn.jpg
Kang goes against Magus while Doom faces Warlock, he puts up a fight before going down:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...t/VsWarlock.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../VsWarlock2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../VsWarlock3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../VsWarlock4.jpg
Fights Terminatrix while she tries to kill him, he shows good moves and skill using melee weapons:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Terminatrix.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...erminatrix2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...erminatrix3.jpg
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http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...erminatrix6.jpg
Fights a Crosstime Kang who attempts a sneak attack:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ternateKang.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ernateKang2.jpg
Fight against Silver Surfer:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ilverSurfer.jpg
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http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...lverSurfer3.jpg
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Fights Warrior Madness Thor:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ht/VsWMThor.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...t/VsWMThor2.jpg
Pretty good for a guy on a funky suit, right? In the next post, more fights and way more opponents!
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Scale.
Kang the Conqueror is capable of big things. He has toppled galactic empires, he has saved the multiverse a number of times and finally got to defeat the Avengers if only for a time. As its often for villains, his losses are not very reliable to gauge their entire potential; I want to talk now about Kang and his nearly boundless potential, his conquests and the repercussion he's had in the Marvel Universe as a whole.
All that and he's still having the time of his life.
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On his timeline he defeated the badoon empire:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory3.jpg
Beats the insectoid of Kosmos:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory5.jpg
He also conquered the Sh'iar empire:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...gbackstory6.jpg
Probably the best conquering feat he has, provided is on-panel and against some serious opposition. Kang conquers 616 Earth.
Kang taunts his opponents telling them exactly what he's gonna do and he manages to pull it off despite their resistance.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Prediction.jpg
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Kang joins Doctor Doom on the selected club of people who have conquered 616 Earth:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...quersEarth1.jpg
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http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...uersEarth11.jpg
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According to Scarlett Witch this conquest lasted several weeks:
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After Chronopolis is destroyed, we find out that Kang has secondary bases in other timeless realms such as this one:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...rgatorybase.jpg
Kang's temporal empire represents one of the big colliding forces when it comes to controling the time-stream as shown here by revelation:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Kangsrealm.jpg
Kang previously defeated Alioth, who's a primordial temporal force, by forcing him to battle Tempus for the eternity:
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When he decides to beat the Time-keepers he's so pissed off that he sets the other big powers against one another, and he doesn't mind releasing Alioth himself against his enemies:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...urnsenemies.jpg
After waging war against them and Immortus, Kang finally bests the Timekeepers who planned to erase humanity from every time-line:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...timekeepers.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...imekeepers2.jpg
Kang manages to stop Magus from polluting every future with his empire, by getting a cosmic cube and sending the Guardians of the Galaxy to stop him:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Cosmiccube.jpg
So there you go, when Kang is not totally owning empires, he's saving the timestream from becoming some sort of stupid redundance by fighting multiversal powers. And as weird as it sounds, he does so, in his own terms.
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Histrionics.
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Chaplin would be proud.
I decided to make a small contribution to Kang's mythos by condensing and discussing one of his most defining features as a character that can be overlooked when you first encounter him: Kang is an actor.
It could be argued that this intention appeared and faded in certain points of his history, and that several writers deemed such features inconsecuential and tried different approachs which never quite suceeded. They cannot be blamed, Kang's histrionism is hard to see given the media in which characterization tends to be weak and writers aren't invested enough to look at the characters closely.
So we have this misunderstood character that has never managed to be very popular since every bit of its complexity is hidden, his stories always involve an absurd time-puzzle and at first sight acts as the most stereotypical villain. To help him a little I'm going to explain what the character does, why it works and what's so cool about him.
First of all, no matter which version of Kang you pick, he's essentially this dude:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...thisdudejpg.jpg
He wears a hat when he goes to the ruins, it may seem inconsecuential but it actually isn't.
In his first appearance he's pretending to be a pharaoh, in the second one he changed costumes and has become a time-conqueror. You could even think he's some sort of clown by the way he dresses and the color he uses; there is certainly some victorian age thing going on in those futurist robes.
The second great theater break we get is when Kang falls in love with Ravonna, the princess of a kingdom he must conquer. She sacrifices her life to save him, he lives to suffer his own failure. A Conqueror is one of those characters played in the big tragedies, think Othello going to war, or Julius Cesar. He used to play a pharaoh and now he's a conqueror? How can it be more obvious? Nathaniel Richards is an actor, Kang is his character; even his storylines are filled with theatrics.
Next arc: He plays against the Grandmaster, he wants power over life and death and if he loses his world dies; this is to save her loved Ravonna.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...Riskaplanet.jpg
Given the stakes one should think he's serious, that he cares about Ravonna. He doesn't save her.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...owerofdeath.jpg
At this point most readers probably dismissed Kang already as the stereotypical villain who is just evil and cannot do otherwise. This is actually one of the bumpy roads of the characters, Kang is a conqueror, he kills before he loves, its part of his persona. Kang will mourn Ravonna for years to come.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ournravonna.jpg
Another important point of the character appears: His future as Immortus, his alternate future as the Scarlett Centurion, his past/future as Rama-tut or as Victor Timely. Those are other roles Nathaniel Richards will play and since time is the canvas there is already an ending. Kang's destiny is written, just like a tragedy.
Most of what makes it possible to understand the character is already in play: his future as Immortus, his acting, his love for Ravonna and the Conquering. Other stories will come with inferior caracterization, such as the Cross-time Kangs and Avengers the Crossing (gladly retconned).
We have four stories left which will shed light over Kang's histrionism: Citizen Kang, Terminatrix Objective, Avengers Forever and Kang's Dynasty.
Citizen Kang was the first attempt to make sense of Kang's whole story and motivations, funnily enough, it ends with Kang sacrificing himself to save Terminatrix.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tectravonna.jpg
Then Terminatrix Objective will come and undo every sense it tried to make, because suddenly Alioth is Kang's prime opponent, suddenly his fall and Citizen Kang was intentional. And this on time will be retconned into oblivion, because Kang's intention are never quite clear.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...cs/Thisisbs.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...tallyposing.jpg
If anything these arcs marked again how over-the-top Kang tends to be, how his half-cooked ideas and motivations are worth dying for, how he can have everything he wants, but if he's not into it its not worth a dime.
By the way, its established that Kang doesn't give a sh*t about women:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ionics/Pimp.jpg
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But he still mourned Ravonna for years. By acting and investing himself Kang tries to inject some reality at everything he faces, he conquers because fighting for things make them valuable. Having power would be meaningless unless there is opposition.
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Histrionics (Busiek's take).
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Probably no writer has made Kang as many favors as Kurt Busiek. Seriously, the guy went his way to retcon and order Kang's whole history in Avengers forever and gave him his best storyline on 616 in Kang Dynasty. Busiek understood that Kang is essentially an actor and that's way both Avengers Forever and Kang Dynasty are built as a tragedy.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ofthefather.jpg
In Kang Dynasty, the namesake character knows that his son betrayed him, but pretends he doesn't know it. This voluntary lapse eventually costs him the war, eventually exposed him to dangers and dead, but the Conqueror never cared at all about the war nor about dying. He knows what will happen if Marcus has to face his treason and walks directly into it old greek tragedy style.
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Because Kang is deadly serious about his act. It's beyond Nathaniel Richards and his feelings. Remember, this guy is a genocidal warlord who travels through time and dimensions for the thrill of the fight; but he's not serious about it. That's his act, and its absurd. If it wasn't all a roleplay it would be unsustainable, but on its fakeness its consistent through time.
Young Avengers also joined the club of getting-Kang-right. There is this scene where Kang talks with his younger self:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Marvelous.jpg
In which you just get that for Kang he's just doing wonders, he's having the time of his life. Iron-lad then does the most logical thing: Flee and get his own costume and his own persona, because Kang is all about acting and doing roles. He plays the hero as Iron-lad in Young Avengers but he has something else inside himself.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../Putupanact.jpg
He's willing to kill himself, as a symbol because he's becoming the killer. He couldn't stop himself from being Kang at the bitter end, yet another tragedy, another fake fight against destiny.
So I was telling you, why does it work for Kang being an actor? First of all you get him to be over-the-top, frankly evil, a braggard and silly at the same time without sacrificing his psychological dept. Secondly, you need a character that's able to lie, exaggerate and pretend when you handle time-travel stories; as a matter of facts most of the things Busiek retconned were deemed as "I was just playing, I did a mistake, I didn't care", Kang makes mistakes all the time and he doesn't care, you need that to tell time-travel stories without having to retcon them three issues later. Third, you need a guy who's so full of himself that can come all in his lonesome to conquer a planet and from one moment to another becomes a real threat (those who wrote Kang without aknowledging he's an actor never managed to make him seem really dangerous).
In the end you have a character that does whatever he wants, who actually looks like he's having a good time doing all that conquering. And he can talk a lot, spout nonesense and pull all those long monologues that serve as an exposition of what's happening because he's full of himself.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ics/Throats.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...lksandtalks.jpg
Its excesive, really, check this out:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...sIwassaying.jpg
He even makes robots that brag all the time:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ssertation1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ssertation2.jpg
Now that we talk again about the robots, remember what I said about Kang not using robots to wage war? Is it the bloodshed he loves? The passion he wants to share? The mindless twisting of human spirit when in danger?
Of course not. Kang needs an audience:
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Age. Mortality. Destiny. Kang is a character that not only fails but is actually destined to fight. He's the perfect archtypical villain. Despite of himself.
And just not to end this section in such a sad note, let's put Kang using an actual acting feat. To save himself to face Captain America unarmed, he simply pretends he's totally NOT Kang:
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...ics/Pretend.jpg
Is he really wrong?
Anyways, thanks everyone for reading the thread, hope you liked it, now you can post some friendly posts of approval. See you around.
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Phucking awesome, Bentley.

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very good thread.
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This thread is disgusting (ie very very very good). I hate you.
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good job buddy...
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