Hope you don't mind if I take away the quote, since it makes for worse readability. From here on, the finalist's write ups:
So originally, my character was to be named something different each match, based on a randomizer on wikipedia. Curry never followed through with it, but let's bring it back for the finals:
Character: Oregon Pioneer
Mind/Equipment: Dark Angel
Magic: The Gathering
I'm not a huge M:TG fan, but stay with me. I read a MTG novel once, and the main character was a particularly clever and powerful spellcaster. Near the end of the novel, he ends up in conflict with the overseer of the entire realm (a Planeswalker, if memory serves). He goes to a different dimension to do battle with this guy. Dozens of spells flying around, summoned creatures and affects running rampant, just a huge and glorious battle between two powerful opponents. But the guy is outmatched...the Planeswalker is just too powerful, and it slowly becomes obvious that he can't win. But he keeps going, up until the moment he's about to black out and be killed, and casts a spell that reverses all the destructive energy that's been brought against him, and turns it on its original wielder. He couldn't win using just his own power, so he utilized that of his opponent.
Lord Havok (redux)
In case we have any judges who haven't judged a match of mine yet, here's a review of the ridiculous amp that I'm giving Havok:
The Fabric of the Universe that comprises Dark Angelís powers IS cosmic energy. As in, an endless source of the stuff that amps Havok to impossible levels. http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5930/x9ik.jpg
Öitís referred to as cosmic energy several times. I can provide more as needed.
And those amps are nothing compared to what I can feed him via Dark Angelís power.
With this power constantly pouring into Havokís power set, I can absorb, overpower, or deflect any energy produced, destroy any shielding, and Iíll be able to melt city-sized areas as needed, or smaller areas to fry my opponent or his equipment.
Id probably expects me to come into the fight invisible, as I've done the last two matches, to establish initiative. That won't be the case.
I'm going to enter the battle as amped as possible, I'm not going to have shields up, and I'm going to fly directly at Id at supersonic speeds, all 500 feet of nigh-indestructible metal robot, forcing the fight as soon as possible, and I will tank the best offense he can muster.
At human level, she can internalize and redirect enough pain Now remember all that absorption. Stacking my character's powers, I can absorb turney-busting levels of energy. Then, converting the pain from those attacks, I store it to its breaking point, and unleash it back on Id at point-blank range.
Magic: The Gathering. Whatever Id's most powerful attack is, whatever he thinks his mega-buster tourney-winning assault will be...that's what I'll be using against him.
Do I possess enough power on my own to defeat Id? Maybe. If we're generous and I get lucky with some attacks. But, let's be honest, probably not. But when I stack it with his own attacks, used against him, suddenly I look a lot better.
Please note, if he brings TOO much power to bear against me (almost inconceivable, given my absorption capabilities), I'll shift Dark Angel's suit into an Ultimo-sized portal, which shunts anything that goes through it into another dimension: http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5343/ahy1.jpg
So I won't be overwhelmed, but I'll soak up as much as possible and use it to destroy Id and his amalgam.
And I'm not quite done...
As I read up on Legion, he reminded me of someone. Someone with over 100 different personas locked inside him, literal souls he's trapped and can utilize. Death's Head II (aka Minion).
With that in mind, here's Dark Angel ripping a persona out of DHII, a literal exorcism: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2294/r7nh.jpg
...the second page, that shows the two beings separated that Dark Angel was attacking (she separated Death's Head from the Anti-Being, who had merged and taken over his identity), will be posted soon (the joys of doing writeups away from home without my full comic collection).
And before Id tries to preempt this, I'll note two things: 1. Legion has had personas pulled out of him before. Easily, in fact. They've escaped, been destroyed, tried to influence him or run amok, etc. I have scans to back this up that I'll be posting later
2. This isn't an initial attack. This is the backup in case my redirection only knocks him out or stuns him. I'm going to throw the entire extent of his own power back at him, and THEN jump right into his mind and start tearing away with abandon. I won't be looking for 1-2 personas, I'll just be tearing sh*t up inside his mind. There's a good chance he'll be dead or unconscious by this point, or at the very least dazed beyond recognition, so this will be child's play for me.
At that point, he'll be missing personas, thus without large portions of the powers he's trying to use to defeat me. If he isn't dead from the redirect and mindf*ck (he will be) he'll be neutered to the point of uselessness. At that point, the match is mine.
I actually have one more card to play, depending on how Id approaches the fight. But it doesn't need to be included in the writeup. I also have some scans of Legion to help support my writeup. So this is just the start.
Can't wait to see what Id drew up for me. Thanks in advance to Bentley and the judges, and good luck to Id.
2nd Note - Compartmentalize: Its within Qubit's capacity to mentally compartmentalize individuals within his mind. The processes is facilitated, and stacks thanks to Sages super computer like brain. Sage has an "Omniversal Feat" to fall back on, that shows her not just overtaking but "Merging" Roma/Merlyn, along with thousands of other individual personas. Which means, Qubit with Sage's brain like computer will easily compartmentalize all of Rogues templates.
If anyone payed close attention, I have finally gone forward to what I have heavily alluded in my prior match ups, and pre-match discussion. The merging of persona's, thus unifying all abilities, making Rogue a "composite" being from the active templates. This does away with the need for me to pick, choose, and cycle through different templates, thus grant me "innate" control over all abilities. And not just innate control, Marvel has made it very clear that such merging, means said person would become more powerful than the sum total of individual parts.
Yes I have done the unthinkable, and become more powerful than the template pertaining to True Legion.
With that said, I would like point out that Northstar, and Lightmaster are among the many templates, and its innate abilities are under my command. Despite the rules restricting "physical" movements to mach 10. Speed of thought, reaction time, and perception of speed are not. Therefore my train of thought would near the speed of light. Far higher than Digi is able to produce. Despite Digi rushing at Full Speed, it means little, since mach 10 is far to slow to close the gap light speed thought processing. To me, his movements are about as fast, as an ice statue. To make thing more interesting, the bulk of my abilities are thought base.
My point, the speed advantage is on my side.
Hey well Digi told us how the means of attacks where heavily inspired by a novel written by Magic: The Gathering. I myself am geek inspired as-well. Let me lay out my inspiration. Has anyone ever read or seen Saint Seiya? The Classic Manga/Anime that is. Well in Saint Seiya there is a particular character named Shaka, that once he reaches the apex of his power, he is able to perform a certain technique called "Tenbu Horin".
Tenbu Horin, acts as a defensive/offensive technique that restricts the victims movements. Unable to defend, attack, or escape. The follow up is that, Shaka than proceeds to seal/strip said victim of his 5 human senses, one by one.
Tenbu Horin: I am going to do a modified version of Shaka's Tenbu Horin. For the reminder of this match, I am going to bring up how I am going to apply my version of a Tenbu Horin, seal/strip Digi of his core components, before the inevitable end.
Monkey Wrench: Along the way, I will count down the a number of Monkey Wrenches thrown to his plan/argument, that point out how some of his strongest armaments, are simply infective before Rogue.
Tenbu Horin - First Seal - Movement
At the start of his match, a stasis field will be call up. This Stasis Field will completely restrict his movements.
OHH! But! But I have defenses, and this universe suit that manipulates time/space, for some crazy Spot like dimension shifting abilities. Yeah well..It Doesn't MATTER!
Besides the fact that reality is mine to mold, control, and restructure as I please. (please log in to view the image)
Besides the fact, that space/time are my play things, therefore dimension folding is playdough for me. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
Legion has proven that his Stasis Field is superior to Tempus (Eva Bell) own, who seemly controls space/time. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
Yes, Legion Stasis field, and powers overrides those with space/time powers. BAM!
1st Monkey Wrench
The following will be completely ineffectual.
Reason for this is, that one of the beneficence of coupling Qubit's Compartmentalization with Sage's own, is the merging of all alternate persona's. When this match starts, Rogues mind will be a composite mind. A singular mind with all the experience, and abilities to call upon. Neat huh?
Now let me point out there are serious dangers, in the appliance of mental intrusion.
And it's doubtful that a regular old stasis field would do anything to my psychotically-amped Havok. If anything, it's more energy to absorb.
Teleportation, invisibility, phasing so that the matter slides right through me. I have options. It's a fun feat, but not the deus ex he wants it to be.
It's also worth noting that Angel's armor is literally tied to the extra-dimensional portal I can turn into. There's every possibility that it overloads Id's space-warping powers. I have no proof of this, but it's just as likely as him being able to manipulate something so vast.
That's a black hole, which in the scan was capable of destroying a large chunk of the planet. And what do black holes do? Bend reality on a massive scale? And that's Havok neutralizing it. Again, un-amped. And Id wants you to believe that an attack several orders of magnitude LESS than that is enough to topple me. Try harder.
Your reasons for saying this won't work don't account for my strategy. I'm only extracting personas by the bushel once I've stunned, dazed, or KOd you, etc. You won't be at normal operating capacities, you won't be coherent, and you might not even be conscious.
And we come to our first straw man. Where did I say I was entering your mind?
Oh, right, I didn't and I'm not. You wanted so badly to use your mental defense scans that you tried to project your hopes onto my plan.
It's also worth noting that the being she exorcised in that scan was AT LEAST Trans. level in terms of his potential destructive ability (in the description scan, that's him casually blasting entire star systems). We're not talking about a normal creature.
Part II: No Homo
We've talked about the incalculable energy absorption and redirect. We've talked about the mental extraction of personas. And I've countered his initial counter-thrust, which was no different than what he's done in past matches. Now, let's get into my other ace in the hole...
I'm going to let Id touch me.
Well, strictly speaking, I may have to force him to touch me. But let's shift away from the increasingly rapey descriptions and get to the strategy itself.
We've already been over the nature of Angel's suit (see: writeup). It's literally Fabric of the Universe, an energy source given physical manifestation. And one of the interesting things about it is that the harness Angel wears (the tech-looking gear on top of the suit) is what allows her to properly channel the suit's power. Without it, she would go mad from the enormity of it: http://imageshack.us/a/img163/5998/ziuz.jpg
And once her armor returns, an abstract being relates to her that most who experience such an overload "dissipate into eternity." http://imageshack.us/a/img27/8498/it5e.jpg
What does Rogue do? Absorb properties. And what will happen when I force you to absorb the abstract cosmos, with no way whatsoever to channel or use the power? Basically, Rogue will be fried. Or, at the very least, so disoriented that I can do whatever I want.
And yes, I know it's Qubit's mind I'm facing. He'll be in the middle of a battle, taken by surprise, and will have no time to erect mental defenses against the sudden overload. The above scenario is not only likely but a certainty.
So, to recap:
1. I absorb anything he gives me.
2. I redirect his own power back at him.
3. I overload his consciousness with the Fabric of the Universe.
4. I tear at his personas via my exorcism abilities.
Any of those can kill him. More than one will make it a certainty.
He hasn't even shown anything at amped Havok's level. His attacks are ineffectual, his advantages marginal or nonexistent.
On my opening post, I pointed out the difference in Processing Speed, with Rogue now inheriting Lightmaster/Northstars speedy abilities.
Now I want to point out another great advantage, a byproduct of unifying personalities. Its the Enhancing/Adding my Extra Sensory Perception, to a higher standard. And I mean, an All Knowing-Telepathic-Precog. As such there is literately nothing I wouldn't know about, with no blind-spots. I hold the templates from the following characters:
It isn't a theory. Its a well documented fact, that if you unify the mind, you eliminate the need of subsequent persona's. The result would not only grant you control over said powers, but augment them.
I actually read the verdict to your match, with PG. For the judges, who actually brought up the topic of Speed, they gave the nod to Psycho. Its not a difficult concept to grasp. Physical movement are restrained to mach 10. Speed of thought, and Reaction Time are exempted. And If I happen to have near light speed speed of thought, and you don't. Guess what? My train of thought, and thought base actions are superior to yours.
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In the end it does not matter. A unified mind, guarantees there are not subsequent personalities for you to exorcise.
Your psychotically amped Havok, is not in the same league to my Mutant Goddess in Rogue. There is a clear distinction in level of power, that you have already conceded to such, which makes your response redundant.
Dark Angels Spatial powers, pales in comparison to Legions. You want cover the sun with your finger, and believe that her ability to manipulate portals, and move through space, are superior to someone that can move entire cosmos the way you we move a computer file to another folder.
Or that Havok taxed to his limits, in holding back a black hole, outdoes Legions ability to tear down reality.
What it comes down to. Your spatial abilities, are not enough to save you from being held frozen from a stasis field of my creation. That makes no sense. Your Mid Tier character, is not built to handle an Abstract Tier character. Simple. Rogue would treat your spatial powers, no different than how Legion treated Tempus space/time powers as mere air balloons, and pop them.
You do know, that in current times, Rogue controls when to absorb? This is a can of worms for you, not only is this ineffective, it can cost you. Can shut off the Rogue mimic/absorb ability, and simply use Styx Death Touch.
If you literately allow yourself to touch me with the Styx persona active. You might as well forfeit your match.
Tenbu Horin - Second Seal - The Universe
Following up in my inspired version of Tenbu Horin. I am going to flex some of my cosmic muscle. I will proceed to wipe out the external Universe leaving the battlefield in tact. True Legion isn't the only Reality Warper under my command. Moira is also part of my repository of templates. And her power was used to do just that in the Age of X.
By doing away with the external universe. Our battlefield now seemingly floats in un-space. Without the External Universe, Dark Angel losses the bulk of her abilities as her suit is no longer able to tap into Fabric of the Universe, and Havok is no longer able to feed himself energy...let it be by Dark Angles suit, or ambient energy.
2nd Monkey Wrench
This part of Digi's strategy amusingly caught my eye.
Overstatement. It rules tourneys. It's why judges have such a hard time figuring things out sometimes. And why some of us take to tourneys much more quickly. Believable embellishments are encoded into the DNA of many posters. I'm no saint - I once used a feat for Adam Warlock that actually wasn't him at all, banking on the judges to overlook it - but some are more guilty of it than others.
I'm going to look at several small-to-medium sized embellishments Id's making that are all interconnected. And along the way, we'll see some other isolated weaknesses and faults in his characters. Together, they form a massive problem for his overall strategy.
Let's take a look at the guy keeping Id's amalgam of epic destiny together: Qubit.
Smart guy, some nifty powers. Oh, and almost everything he does, he does with a ton of prep. And he's not actually as powerful as Id claims, in ANY department, including the mind prisons.
...and while Id gets this tech with Qubit as a mind pick, it's not always that sturdy. See, when he's using it, he's rarely in a dogfight. But what happens as soon as someone actually attacks him? This: http://imageshack.us/a/img17/5199/6iyk.jpg
That's it folks. No other evidence, nothing. And it was a prepped feat, knowing the guy was going to try to possess him by jumping into his mind. We barely see into Qubit's mind ever again, and this is the only time we see a containment unit. There's no suggestion that he can access the persona he's trapped (it's a prison, not a colander). There's also absolutely nothing to suggest he can do this to the hundreds of personas Id wants you to believe.
I'd love to just go power for power with Id - and I think I'm doing quite well with that anyway - but I can't let this slide. Judges, Qubit has a powerful mind. But what he did is light years away from what Id is trying...the order of magnitude is literally thousands of times stronger. And I'd contend that Qubit simply cannot do what Id thinks he can in
Now let's find some more evidence that hurts him in this area...
And this was after having a mental prison system set up for him (by someone else) over a period of months: http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9857/3cpx.jpg
...for reference, that's the kind of mental castle Id THINKS he has, but doesn't. And even when Legion had that, it did no good.
Need more proof? Here he is losing control again later in the same story arc: http://imageshack.us/a/img801/3676/e3lq.jpg
And what's that, individual personalities get stronger with use?! Id never shared that with us. Shame, shame.
And here, as his mind breaks (again), notice how he says it took him months to achieve a stability: http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7885/eilw.jpg
...also interesting, yet ANOTHER personality busted out of his mind as a result of the above scan.
So while Id is busy warring his own amalgam while trying to corral it into a neat little ball, let's also remind everyone that even Legion isn't invulnerable: http://imageshack.us/a/img809/5499/f5ps.jpg
Nor is Rogue (evidence omitted, since it's common knowledge)
Meanwhile, I have a nigh-invulnerable 500-foot-tall alien robot with an interdimensional space suit and close to planet-busting energy powers. No muss, no fuss, just beatdown in a bottle.
Qubit has a single feat of mind prison...
...which is comically smaller than what he'd need to do to encase all of Legion's personas...
...which is further made more difficult because Legion's personas have fought back...
...and further complicated by the fact that they already know how to escape mental prisons...
...and further complicated by the fact that Rogue has been knocked out by such a rush (she was also incredibly tired after rummaging through Legion in the first place)...
...and that there's a limit to what Rogue's body can handle, to what Qubit's mind can handle, and to the number of power sets he can have access to at any given point.
Now, I don't doubt the core concepts of Id's strategy. I'm not claiming he doesn't have a jump-started Rogue. It's clever, has on-panel evidence of it, and I'd be a fool for trying to debunk him entirely. But what I am saying is that the amount of power output he has access to, and the number of personas, is almost laughably less than what Id is claiming.
Id was better off when he only grabbed 5-6 powers per match. Here he's building "True Legion." True Legion, given all of these drawbacks and obstacles, is a joke. It's not even remotely conceivable. Id will be battling himself and trying to keep his amalgam together just as much as he'll be battling me. Each step I've documented is matched by at least one scans of evidence, usually more. It should amount to heavy doubt...not about Id's strategy, but the level at which his strategy will actually be operating.
Now, take all of that, PLUS everything I'm doing. I'm shocking his system with the unfiltered Fabric. I'm ripping at his psyches by exorcising personas. I'm making this infinitely worse for him, and we're not even sure things were going that well for him to begin with.
Id's basic plan probably works, but it's not bullet-proof. There are flaws that make it less powerful than he claims. And I'm tailoring my strategy to each one of them.
Garth One-eye. That was the name of the character is M:TG. Stumbled across it the other day, not even looking for it. An amusingly-timed find. The book was named "Arena." It was a very early entry into the M:TG canon. Anyway, back to the match...
I'm happy to report that some of the scans I posted in my 2nd post were from this arc. Selectively picking only the scans that support you - with others that refute it - is a dangerous line to walk.
As it is, I posted about half a dozen scans that should irrefutably prove that Legion does NOT have control over his various personas. It's basically a defining characteristic of the character that is Legion.
And you don't have Legion. You have a memory-washed Rogue trying to absorb and manipulate more than she's ever done, with a woefully inadequate mental system of categorization and no guarantee that any level of your amalgam keeps it all together. You don't have a team wrecker, reality-warper. You have an internal time bomb, that is so volatile, no one knows what will happen. The only certainty is that the neat little story you've been telling in your posts is completely false.
And they gave the unanimous win to me. If it's an edge at all, it's a negligible one. And the milliseconds feat refutes the idea that your reaction times are actually going to be an advantage for you.
Hooray! You can nit-pick words. But look at the scan I posted. It's clear what is happening is NOT what allows you to trap me. Quit trying to spring your nonexistent trap.
Also, the lone instance of Qubit trapping someone is the same you're using to justify the persona prison. Which is it? Because with the psychotic burden being placed on Qubit, are you really going to be able to turn a single mind-trap into both a counter for me AND a prison for the hundreds of angry personas in Legion.
For the record judges, that lone person in Qubit's mind caused his eyesight to change into a technological one used by the person he trapped. A single persona was causing physical (and likely mental) stress.
Not quite. I came into this fight assuming nothing. I had to prepare for the worst - i.e. judges believing the entirety of your plan, including power levels. But I've thrown some kindling onto the doubt fire - I hope, at least - which should knock you down at least a peg or two.
Because here's the thing. Amped Havok's power level isn't that far behind you, and is certainly better than any energy feat your amalgam possesses. I'm also using your own energy against you. So please, engage me in a raw destructive power contest. If your entire plan is to be believed (and it shouldn't), then I can't quite match your output but I can use it against you.
The Stasis Field! Thanks for reminding me. Everyone, do you know what that amazing stasis field (posted earlier) was holding?
A pair of eyeballs.
Granted, they were flying eyeballs with some pre-cog abilities. But still just eyeballs. No abilities whatsoever to break out. And hardly a vengeful herald-buster with a bevy of powers. You wanna bet that same stasis field might not do so well against someone that's literally thousands of times more powerful. I'd make that bet.
Yet more overstatement.
This feat is from an alternate reality, and involves very, very different characters. Unless otherwise justified, this feat should not even be considered.
You're misinterpreting what I'm doing. I'm not attacking you with empathic energy. I convert pain into destructive force. Not more, nothing less. Whatever you inflict on me, you're getting sent right back at you. But in any case, there's nothing that Suzie will be able to manipulate.
Something Smells Fishy
Is anyone else wondering why Id drafted a character whose sole purpose is to provide a mental landscape in which to easily store Legion's personas...and he's now claiming that the personas don't exist, that it's just one mind?
I hope I'm not the only one. Especially after the mountains of evidence I provided last post. It's a subtle back-track to try to avoid strategies that I'm proposing.
It's a Trap!
Styx is actually one of the personas I was hoping to encounter.
First, as a side bar, let it be known that Id is still pulling personas individually with stuff like this. The "one mind" thing is just a diversionary tactic at this point.
Styx not only escaped a seemingly "in control" Legion (Legion had a mental prison designed for him, and a wristband capable of manipulating the personalities, and they STILL got out). But Styx was leading them. He wanted out more than anyone, and knew how to do it. Later, it takes the combined efforts of Rogue, Legion, and Xavier just to get him back in.
So really, my exorcism feat will never, ever be easier than if I encounter Styx.
My strategies don't exist in a vacuum. If one is more advantageous than another, that's what I'll do. Legion should already be stunned in some manner - remember that the Fabric absorption isn't an initial tactic in my plan - and if he draws on a personality that actively wants to escape and KNOWS HOW to escape....well, he's doing my job for me. At that point, Legion has bigger problems to deal with. Well, maybe not bigger - Ultimo is pretty jacked, y'all - but certainly just as worrisome. Psychic backlash, mental trauma, the possibility that I just pulled a third combatant onto the battlefield...one that hates Legion and Rogue more than anything. Lots of scary options.
Well Digi such a big reply, I think it would be more appropriate to address the core components, of my Amalgam. Funny word thing that word, "Amalgam" as it is the composite unit made from separate components, which seems to escape much of Digi argument.
Qubit - Sage - Rogue (The Power of 3)
Qubit: What my character attempted in earlier matches, was to hold thousands of powers through the templates. Although Qubit may have a single feat, over a single person. Qubit is "Amalgamated" with Sage powers, and physical abilities. Which means I can make use of Sage's feat of doing exactly what I claim. "Compartmentalizing, and Merging" of thousands of individuals into a single mind. You cant miss it, Omniversal Feat posted in my prep write up. Yeah Baby! Yeah!
Sage: As the scan points out, these mental persona's, are full fledged life forms who where absorbed over the lifetime of Roma/Merlyn. Thats full fledged entities no different than Legions own making it an excellent basis of equivalence, and direct point of reference. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...CP_024.jpg.html
So yes, the processes of assimilating the templates, should be much easier than what Sage did with Roma/Merlyn/Omniversal mentalities.
Rogue: Rogue is awesome, the following gave me a coke, and smile.
Context is being left out. Old Rouge went cationic, not the new Rogue. Modern Rogue ability has matured since those heydays.
Proof? In one instance she copied Omega (Collective) and Mimic at the same time. On another instance she copied the full spectrum of Legion powers all at once. As I understand, new feats take precedent over old feats.
Quick Note: Previously Charlotte questioned, if the feat of Rogue copying Mimic, and Omega even existed, and than cried of its redundancy. Anyways here it is. *smiles
Read the scan carefully friend. Her mind was fragmented by the empty templates. Most of those gaps in memories, are from the "OLD" templates. The ones that where emptied out by Baby Hope. It was those Old templates, that prevented Rogue from using her powers. Prevented Rogue's mutant ability to grow. And it was those templates Xavier tore down, and thus reintegrate her mind.
After all, sans this event Rouge retained full memory of herself, and her history. To be honest she never really suffered from a amnesic state.
Oh phuck to the phuck yes I am claiming the powers being used, are from the new templates created sans this event. Shaa Bang!
Templates =/= Persona's
Templates are psionic containers that retain memories, and powers of said character being mimicked. They are not fully autonomous functioning persona's, with their own lifeforce such as the ones held by Legion or Sage. Which leads to my main points:
When Rogue was jump-started, she NEVER needed a Cataloging system to jail her templates. Legion did, but Rouge didn't. I simply introduced the fact, to make Rogue more efficient.
You point out Legions "Personas" fighting among each other, or even escaping his mentalscape. Now when has Rogues "Templates" done either? Oh thats Right! NEVER!. Making your bias points of reference hogwash.
Singular Mind - All The Power
Digi keeps treating my character as if I am still cycling through thousands of templates, using a few powers at a time. Nooope
During prep these templates where integrated, to create a composite mind, with all the power. In doing so, not only is my character more powerful than simply accessing Moira, or True Legion templates. Its power augments, along with its efficiency.
There has not been ANY backtracking on my behalf. And this is me, realizing what told you in the PM. To attain a composite power, was in the works ever since, I drafted my picks. I've been anything but subtle about it.
Oh, no no no. Don't try to distract us. Everything - everything - Qubit does is made redundant with the powers you're claiming to pull from Legion. And frankly, despite the fun teleportation trickery, he doesn't have any real feats that are aiding you in our clash of titans.
Besides, I already showed how fragile his tech is, which is the basis for all of his teleportation stuff anyway. In the super-heated plasma-and-energy vortex you and are are going to be creating, his tech won't last two seconds.
Judges, the ONLY relevant thing Qubit has to offer is the mind compartments. And there's ONE feat of ONE compartment...and that was with prep.
Ok, so the teleportation feat isn't "better" but it's also less dependent on tech that will atomize in the opening seconds of the fight. And the absorption feat certainly IS better.
Qubit isn't a mutant, so there's no unlocking to be had. Sage's abilities are for Rogue, but do absolutely nothing for Qubit. You don't get to extrapolate your one tiny feat and somehow leverage that into doing something that is - by your own admission - thousands of times more complex.
Also, just for the record:
Just want that dually noted. Moving on.
While we're on the subject of ability usage, I let something go earlier that I wanted to touch on:
This was in reference to my "touching" strat wherein I overload him temporarily with the Fabric of the Universe, thus gaining the advantage.
The tournament stipulates that The "Mind" pick (in this case, Qubit), gets full knowledge of how to use the "Powers" pick (Sage). However, we only get access to the Body pick's full range of powers if the mind can believably be said to know how to use them. Otherwise, it's just strength, durability, healing, etc.
Now, Sage understands how to unlock templates, so that's all well and good. But neither one of them - particular our mind pick Qubit - has any idea of how to control absorption. It literally took Rogue decades to master this, and Qubit has no knowledge of her and does NOT have Sage's memories, just an understanding of how to use her powers.
Long story short, current 616 Rogue can control when to absorb, but because of how the tourney rules are set up, Id's amalgam will not have that same luxury. Any claim to the contrary is in direct opposition to the rules we've been operating under.
This is actually subject to the same flaw I pointed out in the last couple paragraphs. But this is only part of the equation, because I showed multiple instances of Rogue having difficulty, and that's in addition to this being easily the most complex thing she's ever had to contain. And that's before we count the faults of Qubit and the added stresses my overarching strategy is putting on your amalgam.
Again, you drafted Qubit almost specifically for his mind compartments, and now you don't need them? It's nothing but backtracking in the face of an inconvenient counter to your strat.
This is somewhat speculative, because she possessed the powers so briefly, but there's no reason to believe that Legion's powers/personas work any differently. In any case, if they didn't work like this, why draft Qubit in the first place? Also, if you're cataloging to make Rogue more efficient, it still makes each compartment vulnerable to the various forces I'm using to disturb them. And at worst, you really do have rogue personalities running loose once I get a hold of them (with on-panel evidence from every era of Legion's history to back that up).
Heh. First, this isn't evidence toward anything, this was just PM banter during earlier matches. My point about having time to prepare for you was well made, though. I spent that time wisely. You're going for a bit bigger version of your earlier plan, yes, but essentially haven't changed anything. Adaptive strategies are a b*tch.
You trotted out some rebuttals to Chip and Charlotte, which is fine. You won those matches convincingly, after all. However, I've been very clear from the start. They tried to discredit your entire strategy. There's too much canon evidence for such a rebuttal. My point, however, has been more nuanced, and has to do with the efficiency and stability of your entire plan...and how it won't stack up to your vision for it. And also how that makes it vulnerable to my particular strategies and counters to your amalgam. Overstatement, as I elaborated on at length earlier.
Don't conflate me with the earlier straw men. They fought well, but helped show me what NOT to do.
Good luck with that. There's about half a dozen things that will be going on at this point in the match, that if you and I get this close, trying to do this will be the last thing on your mind. It's also worth noting that the Fabric that I'll be sheathed in will provide a deterrent to this, as it covers any portion of my body that I choose.
You like pretending you have a fully realized Omega level mutant. That's what happens to another Omega whose power specifically allows him to manipulate such energy. I am at least that powerful, and likely quite enhanced beyond it.
So good luck wading into my attacks. If all I did was try to blast you, you might have a point. But I'm redirecting, overloading, blasting, and tearing at every level of your amalgam.
See, this whole time, you've been strutting your amalgam through the tournament like nobody can touch you (sometimes deservedly so). But you have it all wrong: http://youtu.be/B3lsJmwNO40?t=34s
I would like to clear a point, that during prep, I clearly mentioned my intentions using a compartmentalization, with the effort to Unite the mind. Not to establish a prison like I did, in previous matches.
For reasons beyond my grasp, Digi likes to forgo the fact, and bring up qualms involving a cataloging system, that Legion struggled to maintain. Why? Seriously why? Unlike previous matches I do not have a mental prison set up, I opted to merge the mind for better results.
There is a logical fault, in comparing Legions mindscape to Rogue. Let me point them out.
Legion has full blown persona's. Rogue has templates. They are not exactly the same. Legions are independent acting living individuals. Templates are psionic containers that hold memory, and power of said individual. Also keep in mind, Rogue never needed or used a cataloging system when she was jumpstarted. To say that she "did" or "does", drops a burden of proof for squarely on Digi shoulders.
And that's with a Cataloging system. Not a unified mind. Meaning, even if it where true (its not). With a unified mind, neither would be plagued by the maintenance problems, raised in a mental prison due to all sub peronas being absorbed by the main personality.
I am also quiet baffled by Digi following claim, "that I am subtly backtracking my efforts to move from a mental prison, in-favor of a unified mind, in sight of his argument?....how is that possible?The act to unify the mind was written in prep, without knowledge of what Digi had in-stored. Unless Digi gave me, the same treatment Beatbooks gave Psycho, and sent me his prep/strat before hand. There is no way I could have retrofitted my argument, in sight of what has posted. Thats just plain ignorant.
Heha, I am not the one making subtle backtracks. Digi is, but more on that latter. The main point, I did away with mental prison used in earlier matches. In favor of a Unified Mind (One Mind - All the Power), much like Legions did here:
Yet the point being missed, I am not relaying on Qubit to apply mental merge. That feat was done by Sage, which is why Sage was precisely referenced for it.
Also, just for the record:
Well by your own admission, I should be able to claim the feats related to Sage's power just fine. Oh look she merged the persona to form a composite mind. Neat! Lets move on.
Digi you fool! Your overlooking the benefice, of unifying the mind. The total experience, and knowledge of all individuals Rogue has touched gets added on to my character. You know all them from Marvel comics? Some extremely knowledgeable in the x-gene/mutants such as Xavier or Beast. But more importantly, one of Legions persona's is virtually "Omniscient".
Sans the mental unification. Not only do I do have knowledge of the X-Gene. My characters intelligence and skills fly off the scales, with some of that Cosmiciky Omniscience. No goddess is incomplete with out that Omniscience.
With all tha said, my character will have full control of Rogue absorbing powers. Now tell me how is at your character mind, can control your own body. Because I am damn sure, its not nearly as impressive, or as sound as my own characters unified mind.
Actually!!! Rogue reactivated her templates, when she mimicked the Srkull Z'Cann. And oh look, still no mental prison was used.
The only speculation is your claim that she needs it, as bad as Legion, when history has shown us otherwise.
The question was raised, by Digi if Legions stasis field could hold his character. The answer is, if an inferior stasis field locked down the Avengers, with someone like Hulk and Ironman among them. Than my vastly superior field will undoubtedly seize his movements.
One of the silliest acts of bravado, is bringing in a Mecha like unit, against someone that wields the power of both Magneto, and Polaris. The Master, and Mistress of Magnetism. Nothing was done to change the composition of his body, to keep my EM powers from effecting him. Its a glaring weakness for someone like Ultimo to rush into battle, when its within my ability to drop EMP Nukes, or make twisty sticks out of him.
However! the abilities of Magneto, and Polaris are not the only ones I can call forth, using its powers are one of the many options at my disposal. I also happen to hold the abilities of Madison Jeffrey, and as such its within my capacity to merely shut them down by thought alone. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
In this 4th step, Ultimo will be shut down. Let it by my Electromagnetism or Technopathic command.
4th Monkey Wrench
Ultimo considerably relative size, and strength, are considerably irrelevant. I am cloaked in zero-tau nullskin. Incoming attacks will be deflected, according to the law of the conversation of energy, kinetic energy is redirected.
Id, well debated. Bentley, judges, thanks in advance. Let's get to it.
By this point in the match, quite a lot has already been determined. Id has done a lot of shifting the debate toward proving that his amalgam works in ways that he has prepared to prove (and ignoring some others). But instead of continuing that train of thought - though I may divert to it on occasion - I want to refocus on my own strategy and strengths.
One thing I did enjoy about Id wanting to focus so much on himself is that he's not shown any concrete evidence against my strategies (nor will he, I imagine...they're fairly well-documented).
So let's take a look at my main strats:
1. Absorbing and redirecting? Check.
This one is really at the core of things. It's why the more powerful Id is, the more I get to throw back at him. It's the Catch-22 of the match. See, the mesh I created has so much absorption potential, I struggle just to put it into words. And I can channel all of that back at him.
And this is in addition to my base level energy stores, which are already herald-busting thanks to the Havok amp (which is also a full "check" with no evidence against it, btw).
2. Overloading him via the Fabric? Check.
With everything going on in the match, and all of the personas Id is attempting to juggle, and knowing that Rogue's inherent use of her absorption powers isn't granted to Id via tourney rules, to believe he can stop this is sheer folly.
As with most of these tactics, they could kill him, but they don't need to. If I can just stun him with this, disorient him, that's all the advantage I need.
3. Ripping at his personas via exorcism? Check.
The beauty of this one might have been lost in some of the debate we had. Id's claiming a unified Legion for the first time this tourney. Judges can determine the validity of that based on what's been presented, but that debate has obscured something important: the viability of my exorcism rip isn't dependent at all on the state of Id's mind.
Calling his persona shenanigans into question was an unrelated rebuttal, one aimed at the pathetic feat from Qubit and relative volatility of Rogue's mind and Legion's personas (or templates). But either way, I can tear at him and unhinge the already-precarious Rogue with my exorcising. Mind you, this is probably once he's already stunned, but will be used at any point that it's advantageous.
4. The other stuff? Check.
Teleportation to gain the initiative, phasing as needed, any of my main strategies at any moment, the massive Havok amp. All good to go.
Push Coming to Shove
We've seen Legion get hurt, drained, become tired easily, etc. Hell, I've pointed it out once or twice in scans that Id himself posted. He's not invulnerable. And Rogue's base stats make her quite vulnerable.
I swat him like a fly. Ultimo eats bricks like Rogue for breakfast. And while Id needs to coordinate his powers like a damn symphony, all I need to do is get an attack in. So if all the fancy stuff I'm doing isn't enough, there's the very real chance I push his sh*t in the old-fashioned way.
The Weakest Link
Let's say you don't buy the unified Legion mind. After all, pulling all of that craziness into an untrained mind and trying to seamlessly work it into one whole...well, you've seen the scans I've posted. Good luck with that, Id.
But let's say you do buy it. It invalidates Qubit as a pick for this fight. Sure, Id hasn't been using him much, but it's still odd planning.
He's either the reason everything falls apart or he's a 3rd wheel.
But not Rogue's control over what she absorbs, which was my point with that line of thought. And that allows for one of my strategies to be completely effective. Points for trying to use my words against me, but don't ignore the way in which it harms you (or rather, helps me to harm you).
Couple things. One, he was still just holding floating eyeballs with no powers that allowed them to fight out of it. Second, this actually doesn't show us anything, other than the fact that Legion is a bit arrogant. Does his lone stasis field feat actually have any feats worth mentioning? You compare it to a localized time stop, but there's no evidence to suggest he does anything comparable. You can't co-opt the feats of others.
Another non-feat. It's a secondary character saying picoseconds "may" count, not an actual speed feat from Legion. They may also not count, btw. But against me, they'll definitely be needed. I hope for your sake, you're everything you say and more. But this feat doesn't show it.
Now add to that Dark Angel's energy, and the energy I'll be absorbing and repurposing, and I've basically created a localized sun that I can wield in any way I want. Half of Id's plans and strategies are negated by this alone, and it will allow me to kill him at any point.
Lost in the countering and attacking is just how powerful I am. Id showing his amalgam countering powers here and there that are several orders of magnitude less than what I am wielding is NOT a rebuttal. It's a joke.
Blah Blah Blah
I see a lot of this, and it's just hype. Or overstatement, as previously elaborated on. Actually, here's what I see: http://imageshack.us/a/img62/7258/5k92.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img163/3368/z2id.jpg
If you believe he has access to all of Legion - which you SHOULD doubt for reasons I've gone into at length - well, then Id has convinced you despite everything. But for me, that's just a jumping-off point. See, if Id's amalgam crashes and burns, I win anyway. But if he has his full-on world-beater, that's what I planned for. And that's why my approach to the fight negates and confounds everything he does.
Id has a series of disconcerted scans and a prayer that he'll be able to use them all optimally. He lacks a definite approach. He's a D&D character sheet, written down on paper. But he's not a combatant. My strategy is tailored perfectly for him. It can and will take him down.
Happy Holidays, good job Id, and thanks again to all who were involved in the tourney.
This guy Digi is a comedian. He clearly didn't read the parts labeled "Monkey Wrenches". The ones labeled in Big Bold Print, with an explanation, of why said strategy wouldn't work, with a scan to source my claim.
Entering this Denial Mode, has become your calling friend.
In Digi's own words, these are his main strategies.
1. Absorbing and redirecting? Check.
Digi are you aware that Rogue has mimicked Havok. Therefore Havok ability is mine to wield?
Or that I have a laundry list of superior Energy Manipulators to Havok? Magneto, Polaris, Lightmaster, Omega etc...
Not excluding the ability to atomically move energy/matter with my mind (telekinesis). Legion, Psycloke, Jean Grey, Rachel Summers, Exodus, etc.. are among the many that Rogue has mimicked.
You should feel ashamed to bring up such a stupid point, its something you should have dropped when I pointed out that Rogue can accesses Legion reality warping power. But if you want me to be more specific, my character commands energy, at a greater scale. Its a pissing contest, not worth competing in.
2. Overloading him via the Fabric? Check.
In no part of my strategy did I have the intention to absorb or mimic. Its not a flaw in my plan that you can take advantage off. First I would have to say somewhere in my argument, that such stratagem would be used. However I carefully avoided such plan, as luck would draw it, Curry banned me from using Rouge absorbing ability. http://i.imgur.com/30kWucK.jpg
However even so this strategy is not possible, when she has gained control of her absorption power. I don't want to hear that nonsense that I don't have control of her powers. I clearly explained how with a unified mind Qubit gains even greater super intelligence, and virtual omniscience in this reply here: http://i.imgur.com/PvhNKnB.jpg
3. Ripping at his personas via exorcism? Check.
What persona's? She doen't have persona's for you to rip! They are templates, and they have been merged since prep time.
Why are you bringing up Qubit? Why? As smart are, whey do need to be reminded time, and time again the following:
1) Sage is the person who performs the mind unification.
2) I retain this ability of Sage.
3) Its Sage that is being cited.
But did you show Legion with his mind reformed, being harmed? NO you didn't. You simply omitted the fact, and pot shooted your claims, to moments of vulnerability when Legion is accessing one power at a time.
Wait.. its not comparable, yet Legion does exactly that. Compare his stasis field to Tempus. Silly Digi.
So how exactly did you negate Madison Jeffrey technopathic attack? Oh Thats right! You Didn't!
You first attempted to provoke a head on argument. But after you realized that your character can not compete with mine in terms of power, and ability. You shifted your argument into a denial mode. If you are going to argue technicalities, than all you can expect are responses to those technicalities.
Now the Truth. Your character is more complex than my own. My prep was not nearly as involved. There has to be a leap of faith, to justify that you character is as powerful as you claim he is, with all the added components. We have never seen anything of what you claim on paper, or in the comic. Your selling your imagination, your fantasy of Oregon Pioneer.
Now look at things objectively, The Honey Badger exists.
Do you begin to see the difference? All my planning was to recreate that scene using canonical feats. The following where clearly pointed out in prep:
Jumpstart - It reactivates the templates.
Mind Unification - It merges all templates/personas into a single mind.
Those the two abilities, are the main pillars to support, and justify how I recreated Rogue accesses those powers. The problem is, you invested so much in Qubit, and his mental prison, in efforts to infect a false sense a doubt.
It was a poor investment. His mental compartmentalization, to create mental prison was not used this time around. If your argument relied so much casting doubt. Than you should have argued against either "Jumpstart" or "Mental Unification" and highlighted them as your main points.
But since they where left untouched, and stand uncontested. Than one can only assume that my character will maximize Rogue potential, and attain off the scales abilities as the Official Hand Book points out. (please log in to view the image)
Strength, Speed, Durability, Intelligence, Fighting Skills, Energy Projection...all of it would be off the scales. You cant possibly compete with that. Dont feel bad. This tournament was not prepared to handle my Goddess. Therefore this tournament did not create a proper opponent for her.
As I walk into the battle field, the following are rendered useless.
Mental Exorcism is denied. With a unified mind, there are no personas for you to exorcise.
Your Redirect. Pain/Empathetic attacks are rebounded by pain transfer, and emotion manipulation of my own. No Redirect for you.
Havoks plasma. My innate ability to negate heat, makes me immune to Havoks plasma.
I am cloaked in zero-tau nullskin. Incoming attacks will be deflected, according to the law of the conversation of energy, kinetic energy is redirected. Ultimo considerably relative size, and strength, are considerably irrelevant.
Tenbu Horin - The Disarming of Oregon Pioneer
With my superior reaction time, I gain the initiative, and proceed to do the following.
Your are movements are sealed due to my stasis field.
Dark Angles powers where sealed. I did away with the external universe.
Havoks powers where sealed. I hold the ability to cut off mutant abilities.
Ultimo a machine in nature, and with Madison Jeffrey technopathy, with a thought, are shut down.
You now nothing but an empty husk, a shell of what was formerly glorious engine of destruction. Than its only proper for The Honey Badger, to show proper respect. And unleash the unmatched forces that decimated a clan of Elder Gods.
We already bumped the minimum needed down to three (from 5 originally). I'm not willing to have 1 vote decide it, much as I respect Pr. It just doesn't meet any reasonable level of judge diversification to feel like we actually chose a winner. Hopefully Bentley finds some takers soon.