KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Comic Book Forums » Comic Book Movies » Comic Books » Neil Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web

Neil Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web
Started by: Galan007

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (2): [1] 2 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
Galan007
|Omni-Lord|

Gender: Male
Location:

Neil Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web



"You can't look on it as a lost sale. It's not a lost sale. Nobody who would have bought your book is not buying it because they can find it for free. What you're actually doing is advertising. You're reaching more people--you're raising awareness. Understanding that gave me a whole new idea of the shape of copyright, and what the Web was doing..."



I respect that man's opinion immensely. He is easily one of the best writers the industry has ever seen, and he actually perceives 'illegal' downloading as a positive thing for the brand.


Thoughts?


__________________


全王

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 04:23 PM
Galan007 is currently offline Click here to Send Galan007 a Private Message Find more posts by Galan007 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
leonidas
MWHAHAHAHA!

Gender: Male
Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!

pretty sure most would disagree with him, especially musicians. i think he IS losing sales though--everyone is. hell, i'm amazed as many comicbooks are still sold as there are.... the industry priced me out a long time ago. had it not been for e-pirating of books, i'd have stopped reading entirely years ago....


__________________

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 06:23 PM
leonidas is currently offline Click here to Send leonidas a Private Message Find more posts by leonidas Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
krisblaze
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location:

Eh, Gaiman's a real turd nowdays.

He's on the forefront of the social justice movement and has done a complete 180 the last 2-3 years.

He's not fighting against censorship nowdays, the man's changed.


__________________



Thanks Estacado

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 06:35 PM
krisblaze is currently offline Click here to Send krisblaze a Private Message Find more posts by krisblaze Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Astner
Fundamental Physicist

Gender: Male
Location:

In Sweden, artists—of all creative mediums and genres—generally don't speak out against piracy because it damages their reputation and sales. There was one Swedish musician in particular called Timbuktu who went on a crusade against piracy in a series of interviews and his concert ticket-sales plummeted; which was followed by a series of apologizes and excuses.

I'm not sure how it works in the U.S. but I'm pretty sure it's not in the best interest of any artist to alienate any demographic.


__________________

My visit with Vorador only strengthened my resolve. His power uncontested by mortals, he had fallen to another enemy. Decadence has claimed itself many a great warrior.

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 06:40 PM
Astner is currently offline Click here to Send Astner a Private Message Find more posts by Astner Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
krisblaze
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location:

And on the topic of piracy it's definitely a matter of convenience.

Like Marvel Unlimited, their digital offer, has a barebones library, terrible loading times and is difficult to navigate. Even while paying for that service I still prefer piracy.


__________________



Thanks Estacado

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 06:50 PM
krisblaze is currently offline Click here to Send krisblaze a Private Message Find more posts by krisblaze Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
ares834
Knight of Ren

Gender: Male
Location: United States

It’s yes and no for me. The entire reason I buy comics at all is because of piracy, it’s how I got into the medium in the first place. Were it not for that, I doubt I’d be buying any now days. Beyond that I’ve downloaded/streamed some novels and TV shows I wouldn’t have otherwise read or watched that I loved and afterwards bought them to support the creators. On the other hand, there are many things I pirate that I would have bought otherwise.

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 07:58 PM
ares834 is currently offline Click here to Send ares834 a Private Message Find more posts by ares834 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BruceSkywalker
The BatLord of the Jedi

Gender: Male
Location: The Batcave

will he cry if people pirate The Sandman starring Joseph Gordon Levitt???


__________________



Thanks Steve... The Darkside of the force...

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 10:57 PM
BruceSkywalker is currently offline Click here to Send BruceSkywalker a Private Message Find more posts by BruceSkywalker Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
cdtm
@#$%

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
pretty sure most would disagree with him, especially musicians. i think he IS losing sales though--everyone is. hell, i'm amazed as many comicbooks are still sold as there are.... the industry priced me out a long time ago. had it not been for e-pirating of books, i'd have stopped reading entirely years ago....


You kind of argued against your own point here. If you would have simply stopped reading, no sales could be lost.


__________________

Old Post Feb 23rd, 2016 11:41 PM
cdtm is currently offline Click here to Send cdtm a Private Message Find more posts by cdtm Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Khazra Reborn
Grand Regent

Gender: Male
Location: .

I don't know how I feel about piracy as a whole, but the thing gets me about all of it is that people think that they can just have something for free that somebody worked hard on. It just bothers me that people feel 'entitled', I guess to shit even if they can't buy it. IMO if you can't buy something, you can't have it, simple as that.


__________________


Old Post Feb 24th, 2016 02:29 AM
Khazra Reborn is currently offline Click here to Send Khazra Reborn a Private Message Find more posts by Khazra Reborn Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
krisblaze
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location:

You can though.


__________________



Thanks Estacado

Old Post Feb 24th, 2016 07:23 AM
krisblaze is currently offline Click here to Send krisblaze a Private Message Find more posts by krisblaze Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bentley
Seitei

Gender: Unspecified
Location: France

I have a shelf full of comics that were bought only thanks to my free reads. When I can't even get interested by your free comics, odds are, I'm not putting money into them.


__________________

Old Post Feb 24th, 2016 08:11 AM
Bentley is currently offline Click here to Send Bentley a Private Message Find more posts by Bentley Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Galan007
|Omni-Lord|

Gender: Male
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I don't know how I feel about piracy as a whole, but the thing gets me about all of it is that people think that they can just have something for free that somebody worked hard on. It just bothers me that people feel 'entitled', I guess to shit even if they can't buy it. IMO if you can't buy something, you can't have it, simple as that.
Entitlement isn't the word I'd use, personally. It's not like I feel that being able to download comics for free is something that is 'owed' to me or whatever. For me, it's mostly due to ease of access. Even if you don't have a good torrent or link-based site you download from, you can Google almost any comic or comic series, and *poof*, literally hundreds/thousands of options pop-up for you to DL your comic(s) for free. If the companies themselves don't care about cracking down on 'illegal' downloading(and honestly, none of them seem to give a shit), why should I?

I know that might seem like an unethical way to look at things, but most downloaders likely feel the same way. /shrug


__________________


全王

Old Post Feb 25th, 2016 04:03 AM
Galan007 is currently offline Click here to Send Galan007 a Private Message Find more posts by Galan007 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Q99
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

It *can* function that way but it can also impact sales. It depends a lot on other matters- if there's a readily available digital method, then most people don't pirate and the piracy is more likely to take away from what's there.

A little isn't bad, but too much can be a problem, and the solution generally has to do with making things accessible for reasonable prices.


__________________
Naruto ranks One Piece ranks

Old Post Feb 27th, 2016 01:25 PM
Q99 is currently offline Click here to Send Q99 a Private Message Find more posts by Q99 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
krisblaze
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location:

Accessability is the big thing for us outside the US.

There's also no way I'm paying for singles when they're months behind the US release no expression


__________________



Thanks Estacado

Old Post Feb 28th, 2016 09:38 AM
krisblaze is currently offline Click here to Send krisblaze a Private Message Find more posts by krisblaze Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
wuleecat
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: New Zealand

Piracy is stealing. You can dress it up any way you want, but if you take something that has a price tag and don't pay for it, you're a thief. So what if the shopkeeper left the door open and nipped out for a sandwich, that doesn't mean you get to go in and rip off his stuff while he's away. If I was a writer, artist or musician and I was trying to make my living out of my medium, and little goblins worldwide were sitting at home siphoning up all my work and I wasn't seeing a shred of the profits, I'd be plenty pissed.
I think Neil Gaiman is talking out of his arse. He's made a successful career out of his chosen art form, easy to then lie back and pontificate about how robbing people can somehow get spin-doctored into "raising awareness".

Old Post Mar 6th, 2016 12:44 AM
wuleecat is currently offline Click here to Send wuleecat a Private Message Find more posts by wuleecat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dreampanther
We all face the reaper.

Gender: Male
Location: South Africa, under the bed.

(please log in to view the image)


__________________


May all your dreams come true - except for one.

Last edited by Dreampanther on Mar 6th, 2016 at 07:01 AM

Old Post Mar 6th, 2016 06:57 AM
Dreampanther is currently offline Click here to Send Dreampanther a Private Message Find more posts by Dreampanther Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
ares834
Knight of Ren

Gender: Male
Location: United States

One of the stupidest things I've read.

Old Post Mar 6th, 2016 07:04 AM
ares834 is currently offline Click here to Send ares834 a Private Message Find more posts by ares834 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dreampanther
We all face the reaper.

Gender: Male
Location: South Africa, under the bed.

This makes a lot more sense than the fake moral outrage usually trumpeted:

"Hollywood director Lexi Alexander has criticised the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and its war on piracy claiming that kids hacking film security is more entertaining than most Hollywood movies.

Alexander said she thinks piracy is necessary because of country content restrictions, and that while the wealth piracy begets for the pirates isn’t right, the freedom of access to content is.

“For every IP block, DRM and who-knows-what security feature Hollywood spends thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on, some piracy kid will undo it for free and within a couple of minutes,” says Alexander on her blog.

“And this is my favourite part: I am 100% certain that the hacking of entertainment industry's security features provides better entertainment for these kids than the entertainment we're trying to prevent them from stealing. Let that sink in for a second, then try not to bust up laughing,” she said.

Alexander explains that as a German living in the US it’s difficult to get German news, and while in Germany it’s difficult to get US shows - so she resorts to piracy, and says many people in the film and TV industries rely on it to get content.

“Like many people in the film and TV industry, sometimes I find myself in pirate waters,” said Alexander. “As an expat household, with three paid Amazon Prime memberships for three different countries, a paid Netflix membership, a paid ACORN membership, a ridiculously high DISH [pay TV] bill and an Apple TV box, we still can't watch most programs from back home, even though we're willing to pay good money for it.”

“I'll go on the website of a German public TV channel in hopes of catching up on some (objective) news and up pops the message: ‘Sorry, the copyright for this program does not extend to the country of your current location’,” Alexander explains. “Of course when I'm over there, trying to catch up with a US show sets off even more alarms.”

Alexander also hits out at Hollywood’s insistence that piracy is causing massive losses within the industry.

“You know what statistics are bullshit? The ones stated by the MPAA about losses due to piracy,” she said emphatically. “Piracy has NOT been proven to hurt box-office numbers - on the contrary, several studies say it may have boosted the bottom line.”

Large sums are spent combating piracy, according to Alexander: “Money spent by Hollywood to fight piracy: Hundreds of Millions of dollars. (It's almost impossible to find out the exact numbers, but given they spent $91m lobbying for Sopa [Stop Online Piracy Act] in one year alone, we can all assume what the total comes out to.)”

Alexander concludes that she isn’t endorsing piracy, because she sees people like Kimdotcom lining his own pockets rather than being Robin Hoods. But she says that she is willing to “at least reach out to the other side” and demands that Pirate Bay founder Peter Sunde is freed from prison in Sweden."


__________________


May all your dreams come true - except for one.

Old Post Mar 6th, 2016 07:35 AM
Dreampanther is currently offline Click here to Send Dreampanther a Private Message Find more posts by Dreampanther Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
wuleecat
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: New Zealand

Shut up thief. You just want a way to justify stealing. This 'article' proves nothing, it's more post-hoc rationalizing fo stuff which is just morally wrong. Go ahead and disagree with me all you like. At least I don't steal. If I want it, I pay for it. Or I save up for it and buy it later. Or I say to myself, maybe I can't have that thing since it's too expensive for me.

The argument that creaking copyright is not stealing because the original remains intact is the most quintessentially stupid thing I have read on this site for a long, long time. Only a pre-schooler would stick with that kind of logic. For god's sake, learn some impulse control and just admit that just because you want something new and shiny doesn't mean you have any RIGHT to that thing at all.

This is not 'fake' moral outrage, it is genuine revulsion at greedy self-interested justification for what is plain and simply wrong.

Old Post Mar 9th, 2016 03:35 AM
wuleecat is currently offline Click here to Send wuleecat a Private Message Find more posts by wuleecat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
wuleecat
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: New Zealand

Breaking, not creaking

Old Post Mar 9th, 2016 03:36 AM
wuleecat is currently offline Click here to Send wuleecat a Private Message Find more posts by wuleecat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 01:09 PM.
Pages (2): [1] 2 »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Comic Book Forums » Comic Book Movies » Comic Books » Neil Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.