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Michael Korvac vs. Monarch

Michael Korvac (Korvac Saga) vs. Monarch (Countdown)

Who wins this fight?

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no doubt korvac would have the necessary power to shatter monarch's armor. of course, i don't know that korvac could live through the result of that. monarch threads usually suck because the person has to be powerful enough to rupture his armor (not that huge a deal) but then live through the explosion. hard to prove someone could simply knock him out. /shrug


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Hey Leo! Long time no speak! How's it been?

You should look through the Guardians 3000 series and see if you can find some wank in there for Korvac (and subsequent Korvac Saga from Secret Wars). Get it before Alberto gets it I always say. thumb up

Once old Al gets hold of it, we ain't going back to the truth.


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Even the collector could do pocket universes. Korvac could reality warp as well.


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no doubt korvac would have the necessary power to shatter monarch's armor. of course, i don't know that korvac could live through the result of that. monarch threads usually suck because the person has to be powerful enough to rupture his armor (not that huge a deal) but then live through the explosion. hard to prove someone could simply knock him out. /shrug

Why would Korvac have the power to breach the suit?


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Korvac wins.


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Why would Korvac have the power to breach the suit?


Korvac was able to resurrect Starhawk after their brief combat and he killed Hercules easily while heavily troubled. He's implied to be skyfather level through that arc.


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at least. he told thor he was beyond gods like odin and zeus and i fully believe he was. and you don't need to be that high of a level to rupture the suit anyway.


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Korvac was able to resurrect Starhawk after their brief combat and he killed Hercules easily while heavily troubled. He's implied to be skyfather level through that arc.

That's supposed to be able to impress me against the likes of Monarch?
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at least. he told thor he was beyond gods like odin and zeus and i fully believe he was. and you don't need to be that high of a level to rupture the suit anyway.

Uh-huh. That's why a future sorecer supreme essentially oneshotted Korvac, eh?


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Old Post Feb 26th, 2019 12:33 AM
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geezus. you are something else. i feel you used to have more sense. now you see something marvel and just....lose it. wtf is wrong with you?

you mean THIS "one-shot?"

https://imgur.com/a/TGkCbec

where krugarr placed the BABY korvac (just minutes old and NOT yet at full power) in a dimension where his powers didn't work? you must be fukking kidding. is your default setting now auto-lowball/misrepresent anything marvel? i had enough of this sh!t last go round. and of course placing the baby in some dimension outside of physical space is a feat replicable by monarch? geezus. could it be anymore irrelevant? yeah, you're right, totally proves monarch>korvac. laughing out loud some alternate lantern has his ring go critical and it ruptures his armor, but korvac can't because....you say so. feats for that lantern and his ring?

you're becoming a blind, rabid anti-marvel-fanboy. debating you is simply no longer worth the headache.


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geezus. you are something else. i feel you used to have more sense. now you see something marvel and just....lose it. wtf is wrong with you?


Lose it? WTF are you talking about?
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you mean THIS "one-shot?"

https://imgur.com/a/TGkCbec


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where krugarr placed the BABY korvac (just minutes old and NOT yet at full power) in a dimension where his powers didn't work?


That wasn't baby Korvac (Korvac transferred all his power to his descendents) and this was full power Korvac. Krugarr first placed him in a mystic bubble which not even Korvac could break and then to a different dimension.
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you must be fukking kidding. is your default setting now auto-lowball/misrepresent anything marvel? i had enough of this sh!t last go round. and of course placing the baby in some dimension outside of physical space is a feat replicable by monarch?


Yes, Quantum realm is outside known physical space and even Captain Atom can banish beings there.
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geezus. could it be anymore irrelevant? yeah, you're right, totally proves monarch>korvac. laughing out loud some alternate lantern has his ring go critical and it ruptures his armor, but korvac can't because....you say so. feats for that lantern and his ring?


Because that was before Monarch had absorbed 52 captain atoms and became far more powerful.
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you're becoming a blind, rabid anti-marvel-fanboy. debating you is simply no longer worth the headache.


laughing out loud

I never even said that Korvac loses here.


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That wasn't baby Korvac



Actually it was baby Korvac. Reread the comic.



Edit: I actually don't recommend rereading Korvac quest, those comics are kind of sh_t


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Actually it was baby Korvac. Reread the comic.



Edit: I actually don't recommend rereading Korvac quest, those comics are kind of sh_t

Korvac was transferring all his power in his descendents. There is no proof that the baby was not at full power.


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Korvac was transferring all his power in his descendents. There is no proof that the baby was not at full power.


Korvac was sending his power through time and in several of those occasions it was explicitly stated that his descendants were unable to fully tap into his potential. Indeed, the need of time for adapting to those powers was stated during that plotline and was an integral part of it. Again, reread the comic.


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Korvac was sending his power through time and in several of those occasions it was explicitly stated that his descendants were unable to fully tap into his potential. Indeed, the need of time for adapting to those powers was stated during that plotline and was an integral part of it. Again, reread the comic.

Hence why he needed to be reborn to wield the full power and later Galactus drained all the power Korvac had stolen from him.


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Hence why he needed to be reborn to wield the full power and later Galactus drained all the power Korvac had stolen from him.


He was in baby form and only a few minutes old, if he could fully wield his power it's anyone's guess considered we know others needed time to adapt to it. By Strange's own admission the very existence of the whole timeline depended on getting rid of him, he implied there was haste to act and one possible reason is not to let Korvac get a full hang on his powers.

Not only we don't know how strong Krugarr is at that point, but he also sent him into an specific dimension where his powers became unactive.

We know that teleporting Korvac outside regular space is not enough to render him useless: A weakened Korvac was dispelled into several dimensions by Red Skull and he still managed to come back from that destruction unaided.


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He was in baby form and only a few minutes old, if he could fully wield his power it's anyone's guess considered we know others needed time to adapt to it. By Strange's own admission the very existence of the whole timeline depended on getting rid of him, he implied there was haste to act and one possible reason is not to let Korvac get a full hang on his powers.


Considering he killed his father who had the full power of Korvac, it's not guessworthy at all.

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And Galactus took all the power Korvac stole from him.


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Not only we don't know how strong Krugarr is at that point, but he also sent him into an specific dimension where his powers became unactive.


No, he contained Korvac in a force field and took him to outside physical place.

Also Krugarr was a rookie and shown to be below Dr Strange in power.
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We know that teleporting Korvac outside regular space is not enough to render him useless: A weakened Korvac was dispelled into several dimensions by Red Skull and he still managed to come back from that destruction unaided.


Krugarr took him beyond physical space.


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Not only we don't know how strong Krugarr is at that point, but he also sent him into an specific dimension where his powers became unactive.

We know that teleporting Korvac outside regular space is not enough to render him useless: A weakened Korvac was dispelled into several dimensions by Red Skull and he still managed to come back from that destruction unaided.

Not for anything but during a Galactic Guardians story arc, a group of villains wanted to resurrect Korvac and they created a being that was "equal parts Michael the Enemy, Korvac and Mainframe."

A PF avatar BFs him into another reality and that was the end of the fight.
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Considering he killed his father who had the full power of Korvac, it's not guessworthy at all.

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He had the power (it's stated in panel), but that doesn't mean he knows how to use it, because his Ancestors also had that power.


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And Galactus took all the power Korvac stole from him.


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Also Krugarr was a rookie and shown to be below Dr Strange in power.


"But, it's not my power that need concern you. Rather, it is the power of my disciple!"

As a reply of Korvac not fearing Strange's power does suggest Krugarr >> Strange at that point.


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No, he contained Korvac in a force field and took him to outside physical place.
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Krugarr took him beyond physical space.


"He placed the infant in a realm that exists outside of physical space, Vance Astro. It is a dimension in which not even his power can function"

He explicitly mentions a specific realm/dimension that blocks his powers. It's on panel


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