No they don't, they say that when feats of SvFL, which is contingent on the feat being a statistical outlier, are repeated many times and i.e. no longer statistical outliers, then they can be considered not SvFL.
PIS is not contingent on consistency. If Flash gets hit by Deathstroke to advance the plot ten times it's still PIS considering Flash's speed.
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i agree. the problem we run into with this though, is that WHENEVER flash is hit, it then becomes PIS (unless it's by zoom, or reverse flash, etc . . .)
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Spidey's exact strength level is unknown, if we're going by comic book appearances. But bullets can penetrate a lot of though shit. Spidey's superhumanly dense skin and muscle tissue should be no problem, since he's not exactly a top tier in that department.
What the hell? There MUST be a special reason, since Superman and the rest of the gang are ALL bulletproof. This was a conscious decision by the writers. There are lower tier characters who are less vulnerable to bullets than Wondy. If there's no stated reason, then it has yet to be explained. But honestly, I don't read Wonder Woman, so there probably IS an explanation.
Reflexes + faster than human speed + pre-cog does not equal the speed of sound. Spiderman can't outrun a bullet, nor can he keep up with a sound blast. He can however, avoid getting hit by a bullet with a combination of the above.
Let's take the example of Namor. Namor is stated to lift something like 85 tons. Marvel haven't felt the need to update this information. He once lifted a tanker which would weigh in excess of 10s if not over a 100 thousand tons. In and of itself this would be an SvFL feat, a statistical outlier. Yet he has multiple feats far in excess of 85 tons which would place him in the mid class 100 category.
However if a fight occurred between Superman and Namor, and the showing had Superman at reduced speed, reduced strength, reduced invulnerability, in comparison to his numerous strength, speed and invulnerability showings previously, and not using his variety of powers against Namor, in order to prolong the fight or plot, it would be PIS. If multiple fights like this occurred, it would still be PIS.
There are humans in the real world who have survived close range shots from 30 caliber. He may not be bulletproof to an Uzi but he should at least be 30 caliber proof.
Well until we get one she isnt.
There was a scan of him catching a bullet in midflight. Therefore he can dodge bullets in midflight.
Well at any rate the superman and batman example is similar to PIS and some people think it is the samething therefore it still apllies to PIS.
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i think there are varying degrees of pis. svfl is at one end -- it's an extreme case. flash being struck seems LESS pis-sy to me solely for the reason that it HAS happened so many times.
in debates, i tend to view consistency as a top priority in decision making. i throw out the extreme highs and lows, generally.
the ultimate arbiter in deciding pis of course, is common sense, based on the knowledge of characters.
No offense to Tron, but the examples he's given don't match the descriptions he's put. The very name SvFL is somewhat inaccurate, the fight between Spider-Man and Firelord is more an instance of CIS with elements of PIS by the descriptions given.
That's the thing though, you're still throwing out any absurdly high showings regardless of if they're repeated multiple times.
Of course.Dude, stfu kthx.
There are two kinds of people here on the forums: those who have read the actual comic of Spider-Man vs Firelord, and those who have only heard about it.
I happen to be one of those who have read the comic. Or should I say comics, because it took Spider-Man two issues before he finally beat him down.
I never never never understood why this is all of a sudden such an impossible thing. Firelord is not half as tough as people seem to think, isn't the smartest one around, and is a one trick pony (fire powers yeah we get it).
He's probably one of the weakest heralds ever (still strong, mind you) and it took Spider-Man two whole comics to actually beat him. Not with one punch, or two, but with dozens of punches, one after the other.
Spider-Man can hurt the Hulk - a bit. Why can't he beat up Firelord who is no way as durable as Hulk ? Especially when he was speedblitzing him ? He can bend steel with ease, is Firelord made of steel ? Didn't think so.
What does people give the false idea that Firelord is extremely durable ? He isn't, end of discussion.
I agree, there was a bit PIS or CIS in that comic. No problem admitting that. If Firelord played it smart, he could have killed Spider-Man pretty easily. So a bit PIS and CIS yes.
But not that much.
I can give numerous examples of truly PIS or CIS moments (Batman batkicking Hulk for example).
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Surviving =/= bulletproof.
Spidey "survived" bullet wounds as well. And ofcourse, if there's any type of bullet that cannot directly penetrate the skin of a human being, then it can't penetrate Spidey's skin either. Common sense. And so what, maybe his skin IS hard enough to be 30 caliber proof? He's never been shot by one, as far as I know. But you shouldn't underestimate any type of bullet.
Whether you like it or not, there IS a reason. I mean, she's an exception to the rule, right? That measn there IS a reason. They just can't be bothered to explain it. But they don't even HAVE to explain it, a.f.a.i.k, since her powers are mystical (supernatural) in nature. Take Juggernaut, for example. His powers are magical/mystical as well, which allows him to have levels of durability and stamina that aren't in proportion to his size, weight and energy eficiency.
Yes, that was after his power up. He's A LOT faster now. And he has avoided bullets in mid fight before. But that doesn't equal the speed of sound. It's just that he has extraordinary reflexes + plus Pre-cog. His superhuman manoeuvrability, running speed and equilibrium also help.
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consistent repitition of a feat that should be 'impossible' for a character however in my book becomes . . . acceptable to me. technically, while it may indeed be pis, the consistent nature of the feat (and i always think of wolverine for some reason . . .) over-rides the pis.
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