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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
outside of sentinel, fate and sand, i'd wager the x-men would do pretty well against most of those...
unless its white crown 'i can rewrite history and eat planets' jean, then they're screwed, imo...
The Hawk-people are trouble for most, and no one's touching Flash either. Sans Pheonix, this is a stomp even without a couple of the big guns.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Marvelknight
Even against the "Pheonix Force"?
Again, depends on how much emphasis you place on this. Jean's an avatar, not the PF itself, and is subject to some bad showings. I'm of the mind that a speedblitz from Flash would likely KO her rather quickly, since Jean doesn't have > human durability without using her powers.
She'd also be fighting multiple herald+ beings. Rough for anyone.
Full potential PF is >>>> any of this. But showings vary wildly.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DigiMark007
The Hawk-people are trouble for most, and no one's touching Flash either. Sans Pheonix, this is a stomp even without a couple of the big guns.
the hawk-people are still not that far above alot of the x-men though, and while jay is useful, the x-men have fought speedsters before (quicksilver and northstar) and come out on top...
btw which jay is it?
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
the hawk-people are still not that far above alot of the x-men though, and while jay is useful, the x-men have fought speedsters before (quicksilver and northstar) and come out on top...
btw which jay is it?
Garrick is significantly faster than Quicksilver and Northstar.
A hell of a lot smarter in his application of speed, too.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
Garrick is significantly faster than Quicksilver and Northstar.
A hell of a lot smarter in his application of speed, too.
thats why i asked what jay it was, so i could gauge better...
obviously i'd rate jay higher than any of those, but it doesn't make him un-killable...
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
thats why i asked what jay it was, so i could gauge better...
obviously i'd rate jay higher than any of those, but it doesn't make him un-killable...
Of course not. I'm not pronouncing Jay's immortality.
I'm merely stating that comparing him to Northstar and Quicksilver is a bit insulting.
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Worth noting that the X-Men have Iceman...
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...Who gets mind-raped.
By who?
I'd give the odds to Jean mindraping anybody attempting telepathic attacks from the opposition...
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
Of course not. I'm not pronouncing Jay's immortality.
I'm merely stating that comparing him to Northstar and Quicksilver is a bit insulting.
they arent exactly useless themselves... i mean, when bart was around, jay was topping out at the speed of sound...
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
they arent exactly useless themselves... i mean,
when bart was around , jay was topping out at the speed of sound...
Because he didn't have access to the speedforce.
Now that the speedforce is back in place, Jay's hitting C without much trouble.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
Because he didn't have access to the speedforce.
Now that the speedforce is back in place, Jay's hitting C without much trouble.
thats WHY i asked which jay this was...
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
thats WHY i asked which jay this was...
C'mon Mr. Moderator.
You know the rules.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
C'mon Mr. Moderator.
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Current versions unless otherwise specified. . Use your MSN.
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Didn't the last time Aurora/Northstar fought the X-Men they basically curbstomped them?
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