Uh-huh. Can you prove that by any measure that's not your opinion? And everyone from Krugarr to Hazmat are now powerful but somehow Justice League merely pushing back Darkseid makes him weak. Classy lowballing.
Already did.
Heh, him oneshotting them is ambushing but them ambushing him is him struggling.
What is this supposed to mean even? That im lowballing? Just because i disagree with you is no reason to suddenly start bashing me.
My main point is that it's a viable option for pre-FP DS to win.
Prove what? That Strange's pre-SS is just as powerful as post? Sure.
He appeared suddenly out of nowhere. That's exactly what ambushing means. When the JLA were attacking him, he knew that he was in a fight. Pretty simple really.
This is unnecessary.
An alternate Hazmat who had anti matter powers? How should i know?
Also remember that HALF of Darkseid's Omega Beams were capable of utterly KOing the likes of Superman earlier in that arc.
In the end, all the heroes did was slightly push Darkseid back(a task they BARELY managed), and close a boom tube behind him -- in no way/shape/form were they legitimately more powerful than him overall. Aside from that, Darkseid's status as a full-fledged universal being has since been established multiple times, and is now incontrovertible fact -- so if anything, that is just a VERY high-end feat for the League, imo.
Im not even arguing n52 DS here. My original statement was in regards to pre-FP DS. Also, i wasn't saying that the league is more powerful than him just that there was a certain power gap between his showings in the first JLA arc and his AM fight.
But a discussion with Abhi can only end one way, so im not going through that route.
Michael Korvac has several different powerlevels depending on the incarnation, ranging from low herald to skyfatherish, so on average DS should beat him handily.
Regarding the anti-matter showing vs Hazmat, let's remember that this was not peak Korvac. The version that got originally obliterated by Red Skull -which was the one affected by anti-matter in the first place- appeared after the original Korvac sent his powers into the timestream. It was never explained how we got that version of Korvac up and running in 616 after Korvac was captured as a baby in the future. That iteration of the character also regained his mechanical look and did not display any fancy powers at all, aside from shields, nothing he did seems outside the capabilities of regular computer Korvac (the one that originally fought Dr. Strange). How or why was he recreated with his Power Cosmic physique on his next appearence is anybody's guess - his continuity is shitty like that.
Also there is the fact Korvac never defeated anyone worth a dime even at his peak, so we'd need to be quite generous to give Korvac the win here.
the herald Korvac is the one without the Galactus power up, and i doubt anybody would use that version. Korvac's most famous arcs are from the time when he became the god-like being after his absorption of said power up, and while he didn't face anyone who is really powerful, he was far above the combined might of the avengers and even commented that he's above Odin (though the legitimacy of that comment is questionable).
I was arguing in his favor against pre-FP DS, do you really think id have given Korvac a win against N52 Darkseid "without much effort"? Because that's what i said in my initial post: That Korvac wins without much problem. Even if i was willing to grant Korvac the win against N52 Darkseid i would have at least mentioned that it would be a great fight considering his battle with the AM. I feel like you're trying to force me into an argument im not willing to make.
My answer was as serious as your (rhetorical) question. Pitting the multiversal Darkseid against Korvac, because clearly, that was the OP's intention.
Korvac would defeat New 52 Darkseid with some effort. The power level he exhibits would be too much. The battle with Anti-monitor has been exaggerated with regard to its magnitude.
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