Re: Re: Is Secret Wars Beyonder the most powerful character ever created by Marvel?
I dunno about that. Thanos did after all only destroy a universe. Whether he was the most powerful is debatable however feats wise thats not the most impressive thing any being has done in Marvel.
Re: Re: Re: Is Secret Wars Beyonder the most powerful character ever created by Marvel?
So merging with Eternity, Infinity and LT, taking down any Cosmic being that walked in its path, destroying and then re-creating the Universe is not the most impressive feat?
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Youre making it sound like a bigger feat than it is. Eternity and Infinity are abstracts, they are reflections of the universe. So by absorbing the universe he is absorbing them and vice versa. So Thanos absorbed the universe and LT before expelling them.
The Phoenix containing the power of the M'krann crystal is the most impressive feat. The M'kraan crsytal is a multiversal reset switch. When its power goes off all that is ceases to exist, not just a universe. Phoenix contained that power and then re-energised the lattice which formerly held it in check.
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Phoenix wasnt present for some unexplained reason however beings far less powerful than her were present and that point doesnt detract from her role in Marvel creation. Maybe it wasnt in the Phoenixes jurisdiction. I mean LT wasnt there on any occassion when the M'kraan crystal threatened not just the universe but the entire multiverse. However that doesnt change his role in Marvel does it? Both of them werent around when Scarlet Witches machinations potentially threatened the multiverse. See my point? Its all down to jurisdiction imo.
However i just believe containing the power of the M'kraan crystal is a more impressive feat than absorbing and expelling LT and a universe. But thats just my opinion.
In secret wars II the beyonder said to have released the power of the multiverse times a few hundred times while thanos with THOTU was made TOAA so that TOAA would not have to die in order to fix the multiverse he dispersed all his power just rebuilding the multiverse while beyonder had the concentrated power of even more then one hundreds of multiverses actually.
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Of course its my opinion as how can we accurately measure whats the most impressive feat? Your support for Thanos is just an opinion as well. Youre saying im a fanboy as if my opinion on the matter is ludicrous. Is containing the power of a multiversal reset switch not one helluva feat? If the answer is yes then you know my opinion is not just the delusions of a fanboy.
I have both Secret Wars. Tell me where he said that and i'll post scans within the hour.
I dont recall him ever saying that.
As for Thanos in "The End" he was speculating about the nature of the power. He didnt know for certain. Nowhere is it stated by other beings or unbiased captions (bearing in mind they all took the form of Thanos' thoughts) that it was the supreme beings power.
As far as we know for definite it was a vast energy source he tapped into which gave him power enough to humble LT.
Youre missing the point. Is that not one helluva feat? If the answers yes then im not just being a biased fanboy am i. Im giving a completely understandable answer.
GS can you post some scans of secret wars when beyonder is doing or saying some cool stuff. I dont have the books cause i havent been to obtain them yet.
at that time in the 80s the beyonder was the most powerful, LT and TOAA were just fleeting characters at best, if they were even created yet[im not sure], but back in the early-to-mid 80s dark phoenix and galactus were top dogs in MU, then in secret wars, Doom stole beyonders powers and dusted galactus and left him for dead. so even if TOAA or LT out strips him, FOR THAT TIME as far as fully developed characters were concerned beyonder was the most powerful
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Nope, no issue number, it was an issue of Journey Into Mystery. It's oooooooold. I think he was also referenced by the Watchers as the "One on High" (as opposed to me, who they call "the One all High").
I have no comment on who LT works for....I just know about it via rep, not via direct evidence.
I also question the statement that he released the power of several multiverses - how can you have the power of several MULTIVERSES when you were only a living UNIVERSE?
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Last edited by demigawd on Jan 7th, 2006 at 08:24 AM
look whether we agree or not the fact remains that marvel went out of it's way to make the Beyonder seem like the most powerful entity/being whatever.
We all know because the entire Secret Wars series 1 and 2, especially 2 concentrates on displaying unlimited even ridiculous feats by the Beyonder.
Marvel realized after a while the Beyonder was becoming boring being "God" and all when sales began to drop, so they de-emphasized him hoping we would be able to relate a little more to him, but we didn't and so he was totally rearranged into this illusion having wacked out half cosmic cube on the behalf of bored cosmic entities with nothing better to do.
Personally I think it was a great creation, to suddenly awaken to have infinite power and not know what to do with it, it could be you it could be me, now that I we can all relate to.
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Jan 7th, 2006 02:44 AM
Cap was my hero
