Abom is double Hulk's base strength and durability. The only reason Hulk can beat Abom is due to rage amping.
Cage gets owned horribly. He's got effectivly the same powerset as Abom, but just nowhere near as powerful. Abom is one of the best bricks on Marvel Earth, just he always fights Hulk, who is the best brick (Juggernaut notwithstanding), so he constantly loses.
I can't see what Cage can honestly do in this fight, other than get horrifically owned.
Of course he cant without his upgrades he was trading blows with somebody in the class 80 range. If his strength is doubled that obvoulsy means he couldnt do anything, please do the math.
Hes also one-shoted people in class 65 and 75 ton strength range.
PPPlease did Luke have his upgrades then? Luke would slaughter Wrecker with these upgrades. Ive also seen scans of Abom get Koed by some no name superheroine I wish I could find it it was in the old cap respect thread.
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Double his strength? Adamantium isn't that good. Make him hit harder, yeah, but double? Hells no. And that would only be striking power. If Abom gets a hold on him he still can't break free.
Yeah it could because Caps strength level can be seen as 1-2 tons. Wolverine strength feats can be classified as 4 tons. Hell hes even supported the weight of an elevator full of people on one arm thats obvoulsy because of the adamantuim.
Even if its not double its most lilkely going to be enough to hurt Abom if without his upgardes he can hurt people in clss 80 range. All he needs is at least a 20% increase.
Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.
Also the reason why he can trade blows with people in class 80 range and Ko people in 65 and 75 ton range is because his skin is harder than people of his strength level adamantuim is going to make his punches even harder.
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With adamantium he can lift more because his bones wouldn't crush under the normal weight human bones crush; Cage in the other hand has titanium skin already, you cannot compare bone with titanium and just say his strength doubles.
I dont see why not. The bones are indestructible like you said therefore its going to double Cages strength as well. The fact that he has titanuim skin and muscle doesnt change anything.
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No it doesnt. The same principles that enable Wolverine to have double strength alsp applies to Luke as well. Just because Luke is much stronger is neither here nor there.
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Wolverine's non-adamantium bones are not as strong as Luke's skin and muscles, so really, the upgrade Luke would get from adamantium would be minimal, because the difference between titanium and adamantium is less than bone and adamantium.
The difference wouldnt be minimal. There would still be a big difference. Adamantuim can withstand blows from Thors hammet titanuim would get decimated.
Im not even sure wether skyfather being can destroy adamantuim.
Indestructible >>>>>> Titanuim
Also Wolverines bone-claws have been able to slice through solid stone and metal as well, so Wolverines odrinary bones are still very hard.
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Adamantium is stronger than titanium, but a person can only put so much force into a movement. If Wolverine was directly stronger because of his bones, he would have unlimited strength with his adamantium. The thing is that Wolverine puts strain to his bones by using his muscles, but they can only push so hard, even with adamantium holding them. Who says Luke actually pushes the limits of his physique?
I mean, why are we to suppose that Luke can pull more strength than his body is able to support if his body is not like a human's body? You assume that Luke's body can put more strength than that he already uses, and that his strength is limited by the durability of his body, why do you suppose that?
I mean, Cage is what? A 30 tonner? And Jocasta who is made of actual titanium, is she not a 50 tonner? Why in hell would you suppose 30 tons actually strains Cage's body to the limit?
Bottomline, you cannot possibly prove your "doubling strength" argument is true.
His claws are stronger than the rest of his bones, if his bones were actually stronger he would be stronger than a peak human.
...and the point is that there is a massive difference between adamantuim and titanuim. The fcat titanuim can be destroyed in one shot by class 100s and Thor hammer tells you there is a big difference. Thor could wail all day at adamantuim and it still wouldnt break it.
LOL I never argued that it would give him unlimited strength obvoulsy it doesnt because his muscles restrict his strength.
No it would double his strength as implied in the bio.
All I know is that its implied that Wolverines strength is doubled by Adamantuim. The fact you are saying "Who says" means that its speculation. Theres nothing wrong with that but ive got an actual source that backs up what I say. At the end of the day you dont know the exact factors behind why Luke can lift 25 tons but you do know that adamantuim can increase strength level speculating that it cant doesnt disprove anything.
His body is only not like a humans body because it has superhuman strength this does not mean that the principle does not apply to him. I mean Luke Cage can still drown does that mean the fact that his body is not like a human mean he can't drown?
Stating that im making an assumption when I have given a reason for my opinion which you havent disproved doesnt make it an assumption. You are just making a statement with nothing to back it up.
I never stated that durability was the only factor but its not a coincedence that most people with sueprhuman strength have superhuman durbaility as well and Luke was less durable prior to his upgrade in the 90s. The question is how much does durability affect the strength level? In the case of Wolverine it implied his strength was doubled.
How exactly does that disprove my point. If I was assuming that durability was the only factor for a strength level then it would. You dont know anything about why Jocasta can lift 50 tons but I would assume that she has a power source and other factors that add to that strength level.
Ermm because its stated that his strength limit is 25 tons? We also know that when he was weaker he was less durable as well so that doesnt exactly hurt my case.
I have more proof that it does than it doesnt. Really all you've done is said that im making assumptions without actually proving it. I have actually got a source that backs up what I say all you have argued really is "no it won't".
The fact of the matter is its implied by his bio that adamantuim doubles his strength. Titanuim is still massively weaker than adamantuim and therefore should still double his strength as well. Stating that im making assumptions and saying maybe this and maybe that doesnt disprove anything. Back it up with some proof.
I actually dont think they are. At any rate it doesnt matter.
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This thread is hilarious. What can cage do to Abomination to put him down? Nothing.
Cage one shotted Samson, Ironclad, Orca, etc,,. Does anybody else think thats horrible writing? He has no business beating any of those characters yet one shotting them. Hell Samson has gone toe to toe with an enraged Hulk for something like 6 plus hours, and somebodys going to tell me Cage can one shot him? Brilliant.
People comparing Wolverine and Cage due to the thread starter giving Cage Wolverines healing factor and adamantium skeleton? Fail. Wolverine is 150 times a better fighter than Cage plus 300 times faster. Thats how he gets away with fighting Hulk and other beings of that ilk. I dont agree with it, but thats how Marvel wants it.
The Rulk beating Abomination example? Another failed attempt. The Rulk also beat the crap out of current Thor and Hulk. Whats the point of bringing him up at all?
An adamantium skeleton does not double somebodys strength. As mentioned before, it just doesnt shatter under normal weight like bones thus allowing the person to use their strength to its fullest. How many times have videos been made where power lifters have broken bones while lifting weights? They had the strength to do it, its just the bones werent strong enough to withstand the force.
Abomination should win this fight. The only way he would lose is typical Marvel attempting to make Cage their new wetdream as they have been doing for some time now.
Lets be honest. One-shotting IronClad and Doc Samson was a lows showings but the fact that Luke Cage has traded blows with Orca suggests he can at least punch it out with them for a duration.
Do you think that Luke Cage trading blows with Orca is bad writing? Do you also think its fair to classify everything that disagress with your point of view as bad writing. I undertsand what you are saying about Doc and Ironclad but to then say that about Orca suggests you just reject everything that disagrees with you're point.
Also Luke at class10 range has been able to crack classic Iron Mans armour is that bad writing as well?
That6s true but I just posted some scans showing Luke Cage dodge the majority of Hulks punches.
However if Luke prior to his upgrade could trade blows with somebody in class 80 range and hurt him with his upgrades he can hurt Abom with his punches.
Agreed.
The problem is I just posted a bio that proves this. So basically what you are doing is ignoring everything that you dont agree with.
If you're going to debate like that theres really no point.
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