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would you like to see scans of him struggling?

He strained lifting a pyramid.

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Space... weight is completely gone... there really isn't a such thing as weight "in space". Everything basically float with free will. That is why I am asking you for a lifting feat. This isn't hard... show me one because magneto lifted the city with his magnetic powers.

I know of some of supes "lifting" feats but it is a far cry away frm lifting a city.

no, it's not. everything has mass, and anything with a gravitational pull is going to be incredibly difficult to move.

you're right; they're far better than that.

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He strained lifting a pyramid.

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Space... weight is completely gone... there really isn't a such thing as weight "in space". Everything basically float with free will. That is why I am asking you for a lifting feat. This isn't hard... show me one because magneto lifted the city with his magnetic powers.

No it's not, the more mass something has the more inert it is in space that's why a Spaceshuttle can lift off and leave earth without blowing it (earth) out of our star system into the depths of space.

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no, it's not. everything has mass, and anything with a gravitational pull is going to be incredibly difficult to move.

you're right; they're far better than that.

Besides planets and stars... things don't float freely in space?

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Besides planets and stars... things don't float freely in space?

things can float. they just have mass, and weight. planets orbit stars. moons orbit planets.

a human? a space shuttle? sure, but once gravity comes in to it, any talk about "weight not mattering" is plain untrue.

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I'm not sure what your question is really asking?

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No it's not, the more mass something has the more inert it is in space that's why a Spaceshuttle can lift off and leave earth without blowing it (earth) out of our star system into the depths of space.

Omg... I never said that planets are weightless but a space shuttle gains more speed when it reaches space.

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things can float. they just have mass, and weight. planets orbit stars. moons orbit planets.

a human? a space shuttle? sure, but once gravity comes in to it, any talk about "weight not mattering" is plain untrue.

So you are saying that there is gravity in space?

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Omg... I never said that planets are weightless but a space shuttle gains more speed when it reaches space.

Let put this simple for you:

We have a mouse and an elefant, both in space and both moving towards each other with the same speed. What will happen?

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depending on the speed they bounce off or one attracts the other into it's gravitational pull.

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Let put this simple for you:

We have a mouse and an elefant, both in space and both moving towards each other with the same speed. What will happen?

The elephant will eat the mouse.

Answer this... we have human and a elephant on earth and we have a human and a elephant in space.... which human would be able to move the elephant the furthest?

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The elephant will eat the mouse.

Answer this... we have human and a elephant on earth and we have a human and a elephant in space.... which human would be able to move the elephant the furthest?

The human will fail in both cause you're not able to understand the concept behind it. If you would be able to answer my question you could possibly understand it.

EDIT: In space (where you think the human can pull the elephant) the human won't pull the elephant towards himself, no he will pull himself towrd the elephant cause the elephant has more mass.

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unable to exert sufficient force.. but, technically muscular exertion should do the trick but it would cause the person to also push himself off

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unable to exert sufficient force.. but, technically muscular exertion should do the trick but it would cause the person to also push himself off

This is EXACTLY what I am saying.

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The human will fail in both cause you're not able to understand the concept behind it. If you would be able to answer my question you could possibly understand it.

EDIT: In space (where you think the human can pull the elephant) the human won't pull the elephant towards himself, no he will pull himself towrd the elephant cause the elephant has more mass.

Ok... last question... let's use the elephant and human scenerio again. Let's say the human in space is able to fly, would he be able to pull the elephant if the elephant was tied to a rope and he had the rope in his hands?

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Ok... last question... let's use the elephant and human scenerio again. Let's say the human in space is able to fly, would he be able to pull the elephant if the elephant was tied to a rope and he had the rope in his hands?

It's impossible to answer this with logic.

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It's impossible to answer this with logic.

Let's use comic book logic for these types of questions.

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if the human had a rocket engine which propelled and exerted more force then the object's mass, then yes.

this falls in the assumption that superman's flight generates a similar counter force

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so you could benchpress more than you could pull? I doubt it

Probably.Bench pressing 20 tons vs. pulling 20 tons I'd go with bench pressing being easier.

At least it seems that way to me.

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if the human had a rocket engine which propelled and exerted more force then the object's mass, then yes.

this falls in the assumption that superman's flight generates a similar counter force

Sure does... the human would be able to pull that elephant without to much trouble at all. That is why I exclude everything that happens in space INCLUDING the speed that someone is traveling since there is nothing holding that persons speed back. That is why people like magneto and ironman can achieve light speed in space... hell, terrax has flown at the speed of light in space before... nothing there to hold them back.

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